nikka go somewhere with that buffoonery
No way kimosabe..
Cole World!!!!!
(There is a heavy amount of sarc/ in my post)
"i wish we could get the 90's back" discussion
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No way kimosabe..
Cole World!!!!!
(There is a heavy amount of sarc/ in my post)
<<TheStandard>>
I Am A God
Here's the thing that's weird to me.....
There are more rappers now, it's easier for rappers to be heard, more music.......but there are less major label releases. When you think about it, it's absurd. Now we're flooded with a million mixtapes from artists. We're flooded with remixes over other artists songs with the same beat, which kills the replay value of songs early. Look at Migo's Versace.......That record won't last. Singles could bump for months back in the day, now with every artists remixing them and putting their own spin on it, they die quickly. We're constantly fed fast food these days in hip hop.
These days if you have a Tuesday where J. Cole & Kanye drops on the same day or Kanye vs 50 it's a big fukking deal but back in the day that was regular.
Like I remember days like September 29, 1998 where Jay-Z Hard Knock Life, Outkast-Aquemini,& ATCQ-The Love Movement dropped all on the SAME DAY. Cam'Ron's first album Confessions of Fire (Horse & Carriage) and Jermaine Dupri's first album Life in 1472 (money ain't a thang) dropped the same day (they both had pretty big hits on them) . You would have a Bone Thugs album drop weeks apart from Puff's joint......It just felt like you were given a higher selection of albums regularly. I remember spending pretty much all my money on music because there was ALWAYS someone dropping an album. I mean there was literally never a break.....and that's not even counting the underground mixtapes from Djs and what not. I'm pretty sure this is due to the internet and things not selling but there are definitely less artists getting that major label push to win.
An artist like say......Xzibit or Rass Kass could win in the 90s. They could go gold or maybe do a couple hundred thousand and the labels would let them cook. They'd be on rap city, mtv, get their video played regularly, maybe radio play in their market. What you see is what you get was never a smash hit, but it lived on Rap City at the same time Puff, Jigga, DMX, Master P were killing the charts, while Outkast & Wu were doing their thing.......The game just didn't feel so one sided, there was balance. Everyone didn't have to make joints for the club and production didn't sound the same. We didn't have nut ass arm chair a&rs on the internet talking about such and such needs to put out a club single so he can sell, just dumb shyt. Artists were allowed to do them and win.
Look at Joe Budden, in the early 2000s, his first album on Def Jam didn't sell what they expected, we didn't get another album from him until years later......then he had trouble finding singles and had to basically keep dropping mixtapes and eventually go independent. It worked out for him but still had he come out in the 90s he wouldn't have to deal with all that bs. The Growth (The original name for his 2nd album) would have dropped.
I'm not a fan of J Cole but If J Cole doesn't drop Work Out, he doesn't get a release date for his album despite all his hard work, all his buzz on mixtapes and what not. That's fukking crazy. Basically Little Brother, Lupe, Saigon, Papoose (as much as I hate him), Joe Budden, all dropped in the wrong era and rap listeners ultimately suffered for it. Fortunately, J Cole, Kendrick, Drake all learned how to balance it out and make hits so they can win.
So basically these days you have to seek out music on your own via internet and a lot of times the mainstream may or may not catch on to it, which in a way sucks. It's cool that there's a world out there where you can seek you're own music and what not but the reality is that we all live in this world together. A lot of people aren't going to do that work, a lot of people don't want to do the work with the game being this saturated these days because of so many different outlets, and deep down we all want to see artist that we like win. In some ways it's a reflection of ourselves (sorta like playing Fantasy Football......seeing that artist u loved blow up and saying I was the first one up on them) but mostly it's because seeing our favorite artists win means we hear and see more of them. We want to hear our favorite artists on the radio, MTV, BET, movies and we want our favorite tour the cities we live in and what not. I'm a big Joe Budden fan, but I saw him get booked at a local hood bar in Philly and perform on a couch....like WTF, I'm not going to that. An artist as talented as Joe should have been subjected to that shyt.
There are more rappers now, it's easier for rappers to be heard, more music.......but there are less major label releases. When you think about it, it's absurd. Now we're flooded with a million mixtapes from artists. We're flooded with remixes over other artists songs with the same beat, which kills the replay value of songs early. Look at Migo's Versace.......That record won't last. Singles could bump for months back in the day, now with every artists remixing them and putting their own spin on it, they die quickly. We're constantly fed fast food these days in hip hop.
These days if you have a Tuesday where J. Cole & Kanye drops on the same day or Kanye vs 50 it's a big fukking deal but back in the day that was regular.
Like I remember days like September 29, 1998 where Jay-Z Hard Knock Life, Outkast-Aquemini,& ATCQ-The Love Movement dropped all on the SAME DAY. Cam'Ron's first album Confessions of Fire (Horse & Carriage) and Jermaine Dupri's first album Life in 1472 (money ain't a thang) dropped the same day (they both had pretty big hits on them) . You would have a Bone Thugs album drop weeks apart from Puff's joint......It just felt like you were given a higher selection of albums regularly. I remember spending pretty much all my money on music because there was ALWAYS someone dropping an album. I mean there was literally never a break.....and that's not even counting the underground mixtapes from Djs and what not. I'm pretty sure this is due to the internet and things not selling but there are definitely less artists getting that major label push to win.
An artist like say......Xzibit or Rass Kass could win in the 90s. They could go gold or maybe do a couple hundred thousand and the labels would let them cook. They'd be on rap city, mtv, get their video played regularly, maybe radio play in their market. What you see is what you get was never a smash hit, but it lived on Rap City at the same time Puff, Jigga, DMX, Master P were killing the charts, while Outkast & Wu were doing their thing.......The game just didn't feel so one sided, there was balance. Everyone didn't have to make joints for the club and production didn't sound the same. We didn't have nut ass arm chair a&rs on the internet talking about such and such needs to put out a club single so he can sell, just dumb shyt. Artists were allowed to do them and win.
Look at Joe Budden, in the early 2000s, his first album on Def Jam didn't sell what they expected, we didn't get another album from him until years later......then he had trouble finding singles and had to basically keep dropping mixtapes and eventually go independent. It worked out for him but still had he come out in the 90s he wouldn't have to deal with all that bs. The Growth (The original name for his 2nd album) would have dropped.
I'm not a fan of J Cole but If J Cole doesn't drop Work Out, he doesn't get a release date for his album despite all his hard work, all his buzz on mixtapes and what not. That's fukking crazy. Basically Little Brother, Lupe, Saigon, Papoose (as much as I hate him), Joe Budden, all dropped in the wrong era and rap listeners ultimately suffered for it. Fortunately, J Cole, Kendrick, Drake all learned how to balance it out and make hits so they can win.
So basically these days you have to seek out music on your own via internet and a lot of times the mainstream may or may not catch on to it, which in a way sucks. It's cool that there's a world out there where you can seek you're own music and what not but the reality is that we all live in this world together. A lot of people aren't going to do that work, a lot of people don't want to do the work with the game being this saturated these days because of so many different outlets, and deep down we all want to see artist that we like win. In some ways it's a reflection of ourselves (sorta like playing Fantasy Football......seeing that artist u loved blow up and saying I was the first one up on them) but mostly it's because seeing our favorite artists win means we hear and see more of them. We want to hear our favorite artists on the radio, MTV, BET, movies and we want our favorite tour the cities we live in and what not. I'm a big Joe Budden fan, but I saw him get booked at a local hood bar in Philly and perform on a couch....like WTF, I'm not going to that. An artist as talented as Joe should have been subjected to that shyt.
The_Third_Man
Superstar
here we go again 
LandryFieldsDad
All Star
i do associate music from my youth with good Times and memories... but let's not pretend that nostalgia is the only factor... more quality music was being released... plain and simple
90s is the crème de la crème of Hip-Hop 
From the endless stream of classics, and the lifestyle that is the template for all these new rappers to achieve; the 90s is the benchmark for all the accolades
Honestly, I think Nas and the other vets give props to these new guys to not seem like the bitter hater we not in the game are
They still have to make a living to keep up their expensive lifestyle, so of course they're going
to jump on the who's hot bandwagon. Even though that's "not keeping it real"
But, we as fans of the genre have a right to shyt on what's wack or not
Besides, we're adults now, and unless you working in the game, it isn't that serious
We 90s kids will always have our classics to blast, instead of worrying about the new
that's the standard now
From the endless stream of classics, and the lifestyle that is the template for all these new rappers to achieve; the 90s is the benchmark for all the accolades
Honestly, I think Nas and the other vets give props to these new guys to not seem like the bitter hater we not in the game are
They still have to make a living to keep up their expensive lifestyle, so of course they're going
to jump on the who's hot bandwagon. Even though that's "not keeping it real"
But, we as fans of the genre have a right to shyt on what's wack or not
Besides, we're adults now, and unless you working in the game, it isn't that serious
We 90s kids will always have our classics to blast, instead of worrying about the new
that's the standard now
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Rakim Allah
Superstar
I'd go
Early 90s
Late 80s
Mid 90s
Mid 80s
Early 80s
Late 90s
Early 2010s
Early 2000s
Late 2000s
Mid 2000s
(Early = Years 0-3, Mid = Years 4-6, Late = Years 7-9)
Its not about wanting the 90s back. Its about carrying out the mentality those dudes had because that was truly a Dont Give a fukk era . Cats didn't care if white people bought the records or cared to get that Taylor Swift audience like these dudes now. Long as the hood kept supporting, It was all they wanted and needed. If rappers had issues, They squared off on wax instead of twitter, If they wanted to say something then they stood their ground and defended it.
G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman
Logic Is Absent Wherever Hate Is Present
The music was so good in the 90's there was actually stores that sold nothing but music and movies like Sam Goody and Musicland. Those stores have been replaced by Gamestop's. Gaming is ascending while music is descending. nikkas can find $65 to cop the new Madden or GTA but won't pay 10 for a CD because the shyts garbage. And it has little to do with downloading. I still copped cassette's even though I could dub from other tapes.
Goat poster
KANG LIFE
The thing about people arguing that crap came out in the 90s as well is that yea wack music is gonna always come out but it wasn't the NORM or STANDARD. An artist like vinilla ice or Marky Mark would drop and have a major hit or 2 but eventually and really soon other mainstream rappers would clown the shyt out of them and call them corny. Like I said it was consequences to making lame pop music. Now it's the NORM or STANDARD. MC hammer got shyt on relentlessly after his music went OD commercial.
Now hip hop refuses to police itself and is overrun by wackness. Those old Marky Mark albums dont seem so bad compared to some of these new dudes. Especially his serious joints like "wild side" which he had a pretty dope video for and everything. Allot new artist can't even make a song like that.
Pool_Shark
Can’t move with me in this digital space
this thread fukking sucks
Rap was not infused in everything until 1997 at the absolute earliest.
Artists like Marky Mark could garner commercial success by aping hip hop, but were never accepted by the core community. Nowadays, with the record sales and below average rhymes, Marky Mark would be Drake.
Agreed. The music appeared to be made by and made to reflect the lifestyles of he communities.
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
Just because Marky Mark wasn't accepted by die hard backpackers in the 90s doesn't mean he didn't exist. The point being is that the 90s was not all magical and did have it's own fair share of gimmick/bs artist that people tend to forget about especially if they were not around then.
Drake is much more talented than Marky Mark. It's ridiculous for anyone to say otherwise, I don't care how much you dislike him.
Goat poster
KANG LIFE
It wasn't just die hard backpackers that didn't accept him it was the majority of hip hops fan base at the time PERIOD. Dude never got play on urban radio like that, and most if not all of his fan base share consisted of HIS BROTHERS group New Kids On The Block.
Hip hop over all didn't just accept anything like it does now. Go look at old 3rd base videos where they diss the shyt out of hammer and vanilla ice for being pop acts. Or a tribe called quest getting at him. The term backpacker hadn't even come into existence yet.
People rarely bought into bull back then.
You're right. I don't consider them 90s artists, but they were releasing stuff in the late 90s so there you go.