If Aaliyah was still here, do you think she would be the best female artist in R&B/Pop right now?

[IWunD3r]

In terms of touring, besides Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, and Mariah were going to sell out stadiums, who else was selling out stadiums solo? Let's be real.

breh the nikka didn't even say "sell stadium", he said she couldn't sell concerts....
I learned so much in this thread. Aaliyah couldn't sell out a single concert. she couldn't sing. couldn't dance. Rome Must die didn't have success at the box office... Aaliyah never performed at the white house... Didn't sell albums, until she died. was an underground artist who was never main streamed until she died. Going gold in a month is a flop, even after selling 62,000 in the week prior to her death all off of one single. this thread mayne

 

[JustCKing]

This is cool i guess, doesn't mean what I say isn't true though. What else would Brandy say on her 10 anniversary of her death. Also, everyone knows Whitney was Brandy's idol...

She could've just kept it at: "I miss her. We were cool. etc, etc.,", but she didn't. Her death had nothing to do with it. Aaliyah did debut before Brandy and Monica and was likely an inspiration to both. What about it had to do with her dying?

 

[Optimus Prime]

1. Romeo Must Die did 91 Million.... the #'s has spoken. You can kill that.

2. "set their sights so low" yet when i post actual footage of "the Standards " in Whitney, and Janet both praising Aaliyah here's what u had to say


if Janet, and Whitey marveled at Aaliyah WHAT You think Bey, and them who were around, or came after thought about Aaliyah???
who said it's either or??? u know you can look up to multiple ppl at once right???

I'm sure Aaliyah looked up to Brandy, and Monica for being better vocalists than her . I'm sure Monica looked up to Brandy and Aaliyah for their success in holly wood. I'm sure Monica and Brandy looked up to Aaliyah for how fashion forward, and she was and setting trends that young women were following. I'm sure Bey looked up to all 3 of them... i'm sure all 4 of them looked up to Janet... it's not that difficult.

I just said that Bey looked up to Aaliyah as well, since Aaliyah was Hot when Bey was getting her feet wet. and being around the same age Aaliyah was more relate-able to BEY in terms of what she was doing ...

2. Aaliyah was all over the radio, and selling records. Had Legends praising here. was performing for President Clinton at the white house

"but but she couldn't perform live, she couldn't sing" tho.


anyways, yet u saying Aaliyah was struggling to sell tickets to young women, especially young blk women.??. cause she didn't perform by ya house, or u just didn't bother to go see her??



i'm not going back and forth. pun intended.

you keep saying the same thing, we just going back and forth, pun intended. for the last time. We agree that she was NOT Whitney or Janet. That's who all those girls were looking up to. And you said BLOCKBUSTER. Romeo was not a BLOCKBUSTER. You hanging on every word i say, I can do it to...

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

They were all looking up to Janet. Janet was almost MIke level when Bey, Aaliyah, Brandy were all growing up in the early 90s. Janet was still selling out tours, doing movies, #1 hits, etc when they were getting into the game. Aaliyah never set the world on fire like that, she was a good R&B artist that never really got past 106 & Park...

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You can't compare Janet to Aaliyah & Beyonce because she was already an established solo act & a star before they were even on the mainstream scene.

That's like tryna compare mike to a young usher & Timberlake.

Aaliyah at the time was current generation artists.

Nobody from her current generation at the time as far as female r&b artists is concerned was doing what she was doing at the time.

The lane Beyonce was in, Aaliyah was already preoccupying which means she would've been competition.

 

[Wacky D]

the young posters are running wild in here again.

PLEASE, WILL ONE OF YOU YOUNG TWERPS POST UP THESE MEMORABLE AALIYAH TOURS? AT LEAST GIVE US 1 MEMORABLE PERFORMANCE........YOU CANT!!!!

and dudes are taking this thread backwards. @IWunD3r, most of your claims have already been shut down 3 times over in this thread breh.
and lol @ Aaliyah being a trendsetter. if you were around, you'd know that all she did was follow trends.

And again, you're pretty much speaking for yourself. There's reviews of that movie that were very critical of the movie, but praised Aaliyah's role in it.

this is how I know that youre slow. how am I speaking for myself, when I'm saying the exact opposite of that in the post that you quoted?

I didn't even give my opinion. I'm talking about the general opinion I hear about her acting from anyone that's not a biased stan of hers, and that's including this site.

I never gave my own opinion on the chit. I never even watched the movies that she was in.

and that's the difference between me & you. I go by the reception of the people. you don't get out much, so your only outlet is to google up reviews from "critics" that you don't even know the science behind. they could be getting paid under the table to write the chit they write.

So Aaliyah wasn't in any of the commercials or promo?

No matter how you try to spin it, "Work It Out" was the first single. It was the real single until it flopped. And you should know singles came out months before the album in that era.

Breh, if anyone on this forum has a disorder, it's clearly you. You even admit to being wacky and post with aliases and often use plural pronouns when you really mean to refer to yourself. On top of that uou have an unhealthy obsession with downplaying artists you claim not to care much about, yet you be all up in the threads.

DMX was right there in all the clips as well. the fact that he was barely in the movie, despite all the promo they put him in, says it all.

"work it out" came out more than months before that release date. it came out MONTHS beforehand. there would've been another single dropped before the album's release regardless.

what's a "star zine"??
I know a zine is a publication made and printed and given out. the preppy unwanted tree huggers in my high school gave them shyts out.
you still defending that solo Aaliyah and girl group member Beyoncé was on the same level and Beyoncé surpassed her 2001???

I said STAN-zine

beyonce surpassed her in 1999 actually.

Well, that ain't too far off she did a lot of very choreographed stuff and that's it. Just go back and watch her stuff, she wasn't doing a whole lot. MJ, Chris Brown, Ciara, and young Usher would blow her off the stage. Hell, Aaliyah probably wasn't even a better dancer than Diddy

THIS

people like her choreography. that doesn't mean that she herself was a good dancer. especially seeing how she noticeable lagged behind her backup dancers and often made struggle-faces in the midst of her routines. I'm no Alvin ailey, but even I can see that chit. a random girl on the block could easily have taken her to school.

With Comparing Aaliyah to Diddy. She wasn't James Brown or MJ, but clearly better than Puff

nah

puff is a better dancer than Aaliyah.

I always wanted to cut a rug like puffy.

yeah but she had the look

thats all it takes

I guess.

but I was responding to people acting like she was a great actor.

 

[Antiquity]

Ok, let's keep it a buck.

Aaliyah wasn't as big because she didn't put enough work in. She took a year long hiatus from the media after the marriage scandal, dropped an album, did no worldwide concerts/tours, and took a 5 year break from releasing another studio album.

She didn't have a large enough fanbase to take that many breaks and still sell good. All of those periods she didn't drop something, her peers were out there putting in work. To put it into context, while Aaliyah took that break from 1996 to 2001, Brandy was out filming 5 seasons of Moesha.

DC promoted themselves nonstop to make sure they would get attention and sell. Concerts, overseas tours etc. Aaliyah never did any of that. Theres barely has any footage of her because she never put herself out there like that. She didn't put in the nonstop overnight hard work to be really big.

 

[JustCKing]

this is how I know that youre slow. how am I speaking for myself, when I'm saying the exact opposite of that in the post that you quoted?

I didn't even give my opinion. I'm talking about the general opinion I hear about her acting from anyone that's not a biased stan of hers, and that's including this site.

I never gave my own opinion on the chit. I never even watched the movies that she was in.

and that's the difference between me & you. I go by the reception of the people. you don't get out much, so your only outlet is to google up reviews from "critics" that you don't even know the science behind. they could be getting paid under the table to write the chit they write.

When you make a post speaking for other people with nothing to back it up, you're speaking for yourself. Now I can easily back up anything I've posted here. You saying other people thought she was average is neither here or there. There's people who think Fences is trash. Others think it's one of Denzel's best performances. Which one of them is right?

You can't speak for an entire group of people when you're one person on a message board.

DMX was right there in all the clips as well. the fact that he was barely in the movie, despite all the promo they put him in, says it all.

"work it out" came out more than months before that release date. it came out MONTHS beforehand. there would've been another single dropped before the album's release regardless

DMX being in the clips is irrelevant. He wasn't a star of the movie. Aaliyah was in the clips. It's her name beside Jet's on the billing. Her face is on the posters.

"Work It Out" was the first single. The album was initially due out October 2002. "WorkIt Out" flopped. Matthew Knowles and Columbia pushed as the first single. You can't change history no matter how hard you try.

nah

puff is a better dancer than Aaliyah.

I always wanted to cut a rug like puffy.

Again, you wanting to cut a rug like Puff has nothing to do with his lack of dancing. People wanted to dance like Aaliyah too.

 

[Wacky D]

@JustCKing

youre reminding me as to why I started ignoring you months ago.

you just don't get IT. I cant argue with you about social things.

tell me this tho, when did "work it out" drop? lets just stick to that, cuz youre hopeless when it comes to the other side-topics.

Ok, let's keep it a buck.

Aaliyah wasn't as big because she didn't put enough work in. She took a year long hiatus from the media after the marriage scandal, dropped an album, did no worldwide concerts/tours, and took a 5 year break from releasing another studio album.

youre ignoring the fact that Aaliyah was considered a piss-poor performe.

and she was on a big tour. she was on the Budweiser superfest and was seen as having the worst set by far. this was the peak of her career, btw.

this whole thread is preposterous. the OP hasn't posted in this thread for weeks, btw.

 

[JustCKing]

Ok, let's keep it a buck.

Aaliyah wasn't as big because she didn't put enough work in. She took a year long hiatus from the media after the marriage scandal, dropped an album, did no worldwide concerts/tours, and took a 5 year break from releasing another studio album.

She didn't have a large enough fanbase to take that many breaks and still sell good. All of those periods she didn't drop something, her peers were out there putting in work. To put it into context, while Aaliyah took that break from 1996 to 2001, Brandy was out filming 5 seasons of Moesha.

DC promoted themselves nonstop to make sure they would get attention and sell. Concerts, overseas tours etc. Aaliyah never did any of that. Theres barely has any footage of her because she never put herself out there like that. She didn't put in the nonstop overnight hard work to be really big.

This.

That's a huge factor in being successful. I mean, you can do the Sade thing and chill for years before coming out with something else and still be successful. To me, that's the model for Aaliyah's career. In terms of her career, she wasn't nearly as big as Janet or Whitney, but she had an aura and mystique about her. She didn't drop as frequently. The difference is Sade wrote, produced and arranged her own music.

 

[JustCKing]

@JustCKing

youre reminding me as to why I started ignoring you months ago.

you just don't get IT. I cant argue with you about social things.

tell me this tho, when did "work it out" drop? lets just stick to that, cuz youre hopeless when it comes to the other side-topics.





youre ignoring the fact that Aaliyah was considered a piss-poor performe.

and she was on a big tour. she was on the Budweiser superfest and was seen as having the worst set by far. this was the peak of her career, btw.

this whole thread is preposterous. the OP hasn't posted in this thread for weeks, btw.

No, you don't support your opinions. You post on emotion as evidenced in this thread and every Aaliyah thread you've posted in. You take your opinions and try to pass it off like it comes from a collective. Cowardly. Just express you think she was wack, overrated etc. and keep it moving. There wouldn't be any back and forth. For whatever reason, you feel the need to downplay, degrade and rewrite history to pass off your opinion as general consensus to feel validated.

"Work It Out" dropped in June. "bu, bu, but, that's 4 months before the release date". Columbia did this with Destiny's Child's album too. "Independent Women" doubled as a soundtrack single and the lead single for their third album. It dropped nearly 6 months before that album.

 

[Wacky D]

and yall need to stop with this "if Aaliyah was alive, she would've became a good vocalist" bullchit.

she was in the game for 7 years, and technically was in the game long before that. shes been singing all her life, and used to sing backup on stage with her AUNT Gladys knight.

if she still couldn't sing by 2001, then guess what folks? it just wasn't in the cards.

by your logics, we should start a group. we'd be good eventually. we'll take over the game by 2030!!!!!

 

[Wacky D]

No, you don't support your opinions. You post on emotion as evidenced in this thread and every Aaliyah thread you've posted in. You take your opinions and try to pass it off like it comes from a collective. Cowardly. Just express you think she was wack, overrated etc. and keep it moving. There wouldn't be any back and forth. For whatever reason, you feel the need to downplay, degrade and rewrite history to pass off your opinion as general consensus to feel validated.

the funny thing is, those are the general opinions. anyone who is at least halfway social on these topics, knows that.
i didn't even say anything that hasn't been said on this very board 100 times over.
you just have ashburgers and youre always out-the-loop, no matter the topic. stop talking to me.

and i cant say Aaliyah was overrated seeing how she wasn't held in high-regard in real-time. she became overrated in death.

 

[JustCKing]

the funny thing is, those are the general opinions. anyone who is at least halfway social on these topics, knows that.
i didn't even say anything that hasn't been said on this very board 100 times over.
you just have ashburgers and youre always out-the-loop, no matter the topic. stop talking to me.

and i cant say Aaliyah was overrated seeing how she wasn't held in high-regard in real-time. she became overrated in death.

They aren't generally held opinions. They are contrarian opinions.

Breh, you continue to quote my posts and then ask me to stop talking to you, but I'm the one with the disorder. You clearly have issues with people disagreeing with you and calling you on your bull.

 

[Antiquity]

@JustCKing


youre ignoring the fact that Aaliyah was considered a piss-poor performe.

and she was on a big tour. she was on the Budweiser superfest and was seen as having the worst set by far. this was the peak of her career, btw.

this whole thread is preposterous. the OP hasn't posted in this thread for weeks, btw.

She was never a strong vocalist. She did a falsetto whisper in her songs because she couldn't belt.



She didn't put enough work in during her career. Aaliyah took to many breaks for too long. Her peers still to this day have never taken multiple hiatus' from their work. She disappeared for a year after her first album, came back, did a few performances here and there, disappeared again, came out with a film four years later, and disappeared until the Spring of when her 3rd album was released. All those years she spent out of the spotlight were the years other performers were performing at award shows and going on worldwide tours. So by the time her 3rd album came out she probably lost a lot of her fanbase, hence why her 3rd album sells took a dip.

 

[Pseudo]

Let's keep it 100

She was moving away from Timbo after already distanced herself from R Kelly for obvious reasons. Her sound was going to go more and more pop and then she would have sold out and diminished.

Her last album was her most experimental though. You don't make songs like 'What If' if you're planning on selling out.