If Aaliyah was still here, do you think she would be the best female artist in R&B/Pop right now?

[I love Latina women]

Yll need to get off Brandy not being in movies,we all know there are different reasons for that in Hollywood....that shouldnt be held against her.




I dont know breh,you cant just say that like its nothing.....somebody mentioned LL and Queen Latifah on the acting side....but they acting careers became bigger then they music careers....so thats a real danger in music,i actually feel like Aaliyah was in that same zone where she was in danger of being seen as a actress more than a singer.

So you cant just say movies wouldve made her a bigger music star when usually it has the opposite effect....i like aaliyah more than Beyonce but i dont know if she wouldve owned the last decade

Her and beyonce both are pretty much creations of great songwriters and producers(beyonce more than aaliyah).....Beyonce and her team play the politics game very well,if Aaliyah wasnt playing it too,its safe to say she would be same place other 90s female artist are

Beyonce and her team are masterful,u think she running the game this long by talent and chance alone?

That's what I'm saying. Beyonce BEEN getting over with her team. Don't get me wrong, it's takes a certain amount of talent to get up there, SING and DANCE and still be put together without being out of breath and all that, but her music ranges from bland and boring to flat out cookie cutter garbage.

Me Myself and is probably the ONLY song from her I can really and truly say I really like. That's a great song. Classic even IMO.

But Beyonce's team is far greater than that marginal and below average cookie cutter music she pushes.

nikkas only ride for Beyonce cause who the fukk is there to ride? Black female singers are damn near nonexistent in today's world as far as the mainstream goes!

 

[Knicksman20]

Lol @ you saw these play out. nikka I did too, and as a black female - the CORE fanbase for these women - i remember exactly how things were unfolding. Beyonce was given that damn Carmen movie on mtv, solo features and placements on soundtracks, everyone knew beyonce was the MJ of DC. Look at all of beys peers and the women she lapped, Aaliyah was not in her way.

Aaliyah was never getting a Super Bowl performance
Aaliyah was never performing at inauguration or the White House
Aaliyah was never debuting a visual album on HBO
Aaliyah was never headlining a 16 month 132 stop tour

Aaliyah did not have the talent bey has to reach where bey has musically...we can argue all day about her acting career may have went, but I've said it all in this thread, Aaliyah is not the chick who was going to defy the odds of a limited run.

Like being a Black female has anything to do with what the climate was back then or you wouldn't be spewing this nonsense. If really knew what was up you'd know her earning that Queen of the Damned LEAD role was huge. Almost like Beyonce getting a role in AP: Gold Member in a high profile movie which (dropped Crazy in Love not too long after) Aaliyah was doing when she passed. IAaliyah was laying that same foundation before she died. But you're a Black female & that carries more weight then what I'm saying
And all you're doing is guessing what might've happened & you sound foolish with your assumptions because we'll never know. None of my posts had any assumptions either unlike you.

 

[I love Latina women]

By 99 we knew bey would be solo, when she dropped in 03 we knew she was gonna be huge, and when she had one album dominate from 06-08, it was clear it was her world....Aaliyah was popular but never pulled to the front of her pack they way bey did. EVERY SINGLE release from 98-06 put beyonce another step ahead, Aaliyah moved ahead with one and a million and was at the same place with the Aaliyah album

Destiny Child was FOR Beyonce, true. That's a given. But in 99' NOBODY knew she would be who she is TODAY. That's a damn lie!

In 99', Whitney was still Whitney, even though her best material was behind her. Mariah was still Mariah even though she was bout to flip out. Brandy was still doing her thing. Monica was doing her thing.

So don't sit here and act like Beyonce' has always been "Queen Bey", cause that ain't the case, lol.

Beyonce's team, is far greater than her actual talent. They've done wonders for her career. Another factor is the industry itself. Music and the bar has been lowered so much, what Beyonce does now is deemed "brilliant", "magnificent" and "groundbreaking".... nikka, please lmao

 

[ridedolo]

why are ya'll trying to put brandy in the same category as aaliyah? brandy always had a great voice.


anyway, aaliyah wasn't as good as ppl claim she was. good songs, great image but to compare her to beyonce is ridiculous. i've seen beyonce live twice and both times were impressed. nobody can do what she does

 

[theflyest]

R&B itself in that era was just as big as the pop music was, is what I'm saying. It wasn't pushed in one corner, where it was only getting played on urban stations. Hip-hop and R&B was dominating to the point where you could turn on the TV or radio at any time of the day and see/hear it. So that's why I said Aaliyah was basically just as much a pop star as she was an R&B star.

Understood.

I understand your point of view. I just don't believe she would be the "biggest" female artist in 2016. That is all I am saying.

 

[Still Benefited]

bro..she has a strong, robust voice. Ofcourse, she's gonna be belting a lot in her songs..
chick shows restraint as well
That's like criticizing Whitney and Aretha for their powerful voices and associating it with things like "shouting" when their technique suggest otherwise..
Beyoncé's vocal ability is legit..like really legit. Doesn't matter if you don't like her voice or don't feel anything when she sings. The skill and execution speaks for itself.
I hate Patti's voice. It has the cold, piercing quality that fukks my ears up.. can't deny the woman can clear an auditorium with her instrument, though.


Saw her in Philly..
I'll never discredit her vocal ability ever again

Yall really let homie slide with this shyt


Theres a reason nobody complains about Whitney or Aretha "shout singing" breh,they verses were not only powerful but you could FEEL IT....they could bring grown men to tears

Beyonce voice never has or will be able to do that,thats a special gift...Beyonce is a learned talent,or maybe not,but whatwver the case may be,she doesnt have the ability to bring forth emotion.

Same reason why nobody but you would hate Pattis voice,but you....you cant question Beyonces technical ability ever in life,everything about her is technically on point,even her interviews

Some of us prefer real artist with a soul over robotic,technically on point artist.


And Aaliyahs swag is not being talked about enough in here,very few women have that,but she did

Females and nikkas loved her for it.

 

[JustCKing]

No,she wouldn't have. Nothing about Aaliyah's voice or performances point to that level of longevity musically. That Timbaland/missy sound literally saved her career, y'all really forget how brandy snatched the entire teen singer spotlight with her debut, Aaliyah was nothing more than a r Kelly scandal with a classic party hit until she got with Timbaland and dropped ONIAM on 96. I don't know how y'all look at Aaliyah objectively and think she'd be the one to buck the conventional wisdom and still be smashing charts in 2016 when her peers who were just as big or bigger are now niche artists that get a listen or two from us who grew up on them.

Beyonce is big for multiple reasons including her appeal to everyone from 4 to 84 years old, Aaliyah's music nor performances ever captured that level of attention.

While I don't think Aaliyah would be dominating Pop/R&B in 2016 had she lived, but Beyoncé isn't where she is because of her voice either. Beyoncé is a vocal powerhouse when she wants to be, but it's not even something that she showcases. I agree on the performance part and that coupled with her being one of the hardest working (if not hardest) artist in the industry is why she has longevity.

Aaliyah helped the careers of Missy/Timbaland as well. They all benefited. No one can really paint Aaliyah as this artist who was a studio creation of writers and producers. She had hits after R. Kelly. She had hits that weren't produced by Timbaland or written by Missy.

 

[Chris Cool]

"we knew Beyonce was a start in 99"
nobody knew who she was in the 90s.

 

[Pseudo]

I don't think she would have been big as Beyonce. Beyonce had a better work ethic and a bigger machine behind her. Aaliyah was on an independent label ran by her uncle and took 6 years off before working on her final album.

But she would have been making far better music than her peers for sure. You see all that hype and praise Bey gets about being artistic and innovative these days? How many albums did it take for her to reach that level? Aaliyah was already taking risks with only her second album. She was only 16 years old at the time when she hooked up with Timbaland and Missy Elliott.

On her third album she hooked with some unknown producers and pushed her sound even further. Tell me which one of Aaliyah's contemporaries was made forward thinking tracks like this at the time?
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=YAJvJQaiyFw

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=U__8YxNS_Zg


I hate how people say Aaliyah would have ended up like the likes Brandy and Monica. Around the time she had died, she had her first number one hit, beat Britney Spears at the VMAs and had the biggest first week sales of her career. She also inked a five film deal with Warner Brothers.

When Monica and Brandy's stars was waning, Aaliyah was on the rise.

 

[Still Benefited]

That's what I'm saying. Beyonce BEEN getting over with her team. Don't get me wrong, it's takes a certain amount of talent to get up there, SING and DANCE and still be put together without being out of breath and all that, but her music ranges from bland and boring to flat out cookie cutter garbage.

Me Myself and is probably the ONLY song from her I can really and truly say I really like. That's a great song. Classic even IMO.

But Beyonce's team is far greater than that marginal and below average cookie cutter music she pushes.

nikkas only ride for Beyonce cause who the fukk is there to ride? Black female singers are damn near nonexistent in today's world as far as the mainstream goes!

Jayz marrying her gave her a boost too as much as people like to pretend it was only the other way around....it gave her some credibility as a real chick.

plus a high level men always elevates a woman.

people can say "bu bu but everybody has a team",yeah but some teams are mkre cutthroat than others

It aint hard to see when shyt look suspect,we all remember when Rhianna was encroaching on beyonces lane and position....next thing you know Rhianna ends up in some weird hipster/ratchet lane that obviously isnt as lucrative as being the new Beyonce....some might say "well thats the kind of music rhianna wanted to make"....since when do labels give a damn about what kindve music artist want to make?they didnt tell her to stop becoming a pop rnb icon whos bigger than Beyonce out of the kindness of they heart

It was probaly more like,we didnt expect you to get this big,this is Beyonces lane


We all saw how the media and industry producers like Dream came at Keyshia Cole for coming at beyonce,and even her wack ass friend Michelle? Just goes to ahow these nikkas in the media and industry nikkas obviously feel the need to pledge allegiance for some reason?where does that come from,unless theres a history of bad things happening,and people being kicked out the power circle at any sign of disloyalty

might have to ask those destiny child members about that.

 

[010101]

baby girls voice soothes the soul
beyonce the brand is strong but her music doesn't attract me
salute her she works like crazy can't front

but aaliyah had some sort of magic

*

 

[I love Latina women]

Jayz marrying her gave her a boost too as much as people like to pretend it was only the other way around....it gave her some credibility as a real chick.

plus a high level men always elevates a woman.

people can say "bu bu but everybody has a team",yeah but some teams are mkre cutthroat than others

It aint hard to see when shyt look suspect,we all remember when Rhianna was encroaching on beyonces lane and position....next thing you know Rhianna ends up in some weird hipster/ratchet lane that obviously isnt as lucrative as being the new Beyonce....some might say "well thats the kind of music rhianna wanted to make"....since when do labels give a damn about what kindve music artist want to make?they didnt tell her to stop becoming a pop rnb icon whos bigger than Beyonce out of the kindness of they heart

It was probaly more like,we didnt expect you to get this big,this is Beyonces lane


We all saw how the media and industry producers like Dream came at Keyshia Cole for coming at beyonce,and even her wack ass friend Michelle? Just goes to ahow these nikkas in the media and industry nikkas obviously feel the need to pledge allegiance for some reason?where does that come from,unless theres a history of bad things happening,and people being kicked out the power circle at any sign of disloyalty

might have to ask those destiny child members about that.

Yup

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Brandy was never in box office movies...ehh, maybe if you consider I know what you did last summer, but she was a tv star. And that's the exact point people made early in the thread, Aaliyah would be on he ll cool j/queen latifah acting steeze, she wouldn't be dominating charts.

How can you say she wouldn't be dominating charts tho? She was a hit machine.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Aaliyah was a fine young performer with a very good song catalogue, and surprised many with her success
on the big screen.

Her film success seemed like it came from nowhere because of her shyness during interviews,
and in general.

She has benefitted tremendously from the mythology of "the good dying young."

Beyonce had that "IT" factor the minute the "No, No, No" track with Wyclef hit radio and video shows in '97. The question then wasn't IF she was going to be a solo star, the question was WHEN.

It can be argued that Beyonce might be one of the best "total package" pop music performers of all time. Not necessarily the best artist (her song catalogue is just too weak...) but as a one-person dynamo (vocal talent, style and look, dancing, effort, etc) she approaches the top: James Brown, Tina Turner, Prince. And she does this while having Miss Universe-level beauty at the same time.

Beyonce's pursuit of perfection, though, has vacuumed a good deal of the "soul" out of her music,
and sometimes her overall presentation.

In terms of having a supporting "team," Aaliyah actually had more connections coming into the music industry, with Barry Hankerson being her uncle and Gladys Knight being her aunt. Matthew Knowles was nowhere near the level of Barry in terms of industry juice, who had his own label, Blackground.

I could see Aaliyah having a strong film career today, especially after her strong turn in "Romeo Must Die."

 

[JustCKing]

"we knew Beyonce was a start in 99"
nobody knew who she was in the 90s.

'99 was the beginning. She was featured as Beyonce Knowles on the Missy album that came out that year and she was the love interest in Case's video. Solo career was pretty much a given at that point especially since it also marked the beginning of Destiny's Child dissolving.