If Aaliyah was still here, do you think she would be the best female artist in R&B/Pop right now?

[JustCKing]

lol. youre always so out-of-touch.

everybody who understood music, knew that monica was gonna have the best adult MUSIC career out of all the female teen singers from back then. theres nothing surprising or unpredictable about it. youre just out-the-loop as usual.

and shoutout to @krazykid18 for sonnin' your dumbass while I was gone.

Career wise, nobody would've predicted that Monica would be bigger than Brandy unless you hated Brandy or were a huge Monica fan.

And I was sonned by no one. Breh made claims that he couldn't substantiate.

 

[Wacky D]

Career wise, nobody would've predicted that Monica would be bigger than Brandy unless you hated Brandy or were a huge Monica fan.

And I was sonned by no one. Breh made claims that he couldn't substantiate.

learn how to speak for yourself.

a lot of us saw monica passing up brandy once they got to the "big leagues". theres nothing surprising about that at all.

youre out-the-loop.

You completely missed the point. My point is that just because an artist is the lead singer of a successful group, it doesn't mean that they will be successful as a solo artist. Beyoncé was geared to be a solo artist from the jump, but developing her into a legitimate solo act took time.


Excuses.

Female artists have built careers and have had huge successes from soundtrack singles (regardless of how 'gimmicky'). Prime example of that is Beyoncé having a #1 single in 2006 off of the Pink Panther soundtrack with "Check On It". The fact is Beyoncé's first outing as a solo artist was a flop and she didn't resonate until "'03 Bonnie & Clyde" with Jay Z.

don't you mean "crazy in love"?

the difference with "check on it", is that you wouldn't know it was for the "pink panther" soundtrack just by listening to it. as opposed to that Austin powers song, you could tell it was meant for Austin powers or pootie tang or undercover brother or some other chit.

destinys child was meant to revolve around beyonce from jumpstreet.
SWV was not initially intended to revolve around coko.

why would I make excuses? I don't even like beyonce.

Novelty acts are acts who don't have repeated success. Aaliyah debuted in 1994. Her biggest hit came in 2000 with "Try Again". That's hardly a novelty act. Ciara debuted in 2004. Her biggest hit was on her first album. The second album sold half of what the first did. The third album was supposed to be a triple disc. The label scrapped that idea when the first single with T-Pain didn't do that well. Then it was flopped single after flopped single until they dropped a Justin Timberlake produced and featured song. The album still didn't do that well.

youre right. "novelty act" isn't the correct term.
I just didn't want to dog out the term "production act".

Ciara messed up when she stopped working with jazze pha. she didn't realize where her bread was buttered.
plus shes known for having too Hollywood of an ego.

 

[JustCKing]

don't you mean "crazy in love"?

the difference with "check on it", is that you wouldn't know it was for the "pink panther" soundtrack just by listening to it. as opposed to that Austin powers song, you could tell it was meant for Austin powers or pootie tang or undercover brother or some other chit.

destinys child was meant to revolve around beyonce from jumpstreet.
SWV was not initially intended to revolve around coko.

why would I make excuses? I don't even like beyonce.

No I don't mean "Crazy In Love". "'03 Bonnie And Clyde" set the stage for Beyoncé's solo career.

Again, more excuses.

Nothing about "Work It Out" indicated that it was for a soundtrack. The fact that you're in here listing like three different movies proves you don't know what you're talking about.

Intent is beside the point. The point still stands that success as the lead of a successful group doesn't always translate to solo success.

 

[Barry Sanders]

I wasn't talking about both of them doing well, I was talking about Monica eclipsing Brandy success wise and having more longevity. Monica's biggest hits in the '00's were produced by Missy. Missy helped Monica come back from flopped albums twice.

You would think Brandy would have longevity but like you said that's how music goes. Plus Monica stayed consistent with her music. JD and Bryan Michael Cox were behind Monica hits in the 00's too.

 

[Knuckles Red]

In a garbage can. Crushed, underneath millions of Beyonce's empty bottles of skin bleach cream, like all the other B-list female R&B singers from her time.

 

[JustCKing]

You would think Brandy would have longevity but like you said that's how music goes. Plus Monica stayed consistent with her music. JD and Bryan Michael Cox were behind Monica hits in the 00's too.

Monica wasn't consistent. When Makings of Me came out, she hopped on the snap music bandwagon and dropped "Everytime The Beat Drop" feat. Dem Franchise Boyz. That song didn't do much of anything for her and that album flopped. Then came Still Standing. The title song wasn't a hit, but as a single, it reminded fans of the old Monica. The Missy produced, Jazmine Sullivan penned "Everything To Me" was a hit though.

 

[JustCKing]

youre right. "novelty act" isn't the correct term.
I just didn't want to dog out the term "production act".

Ciara messed up when she stopped working with jazze pha. she didn't realize where her bread was buttered.
plus shes known for having too Hollywood of an ego.

All artists who aren't self-produced, songwriters, or musicians are pretty much production acts. That's why they have producers.

And Ciara pretty much exemplifies what a 'production act' is. If she messed up when she stopped working with a certain producer, she's a production act. It's not necessarily a negative because a producer is an essential part of creating music as much as the artist themselves. They develop ideas into music.

 

[Barry Sanders]

Monica wasn't consistent. When Makings of Me came out, she hopped on the snap music bandwagon and dropped "Everytime The Beat Drop" feat. Dem Franchise Boyz. That song didn't do much of anything for her and that album flopped. Then came Still Standing. The title song wasn't a hit, but as a single, it reminded fans of the old Monica. The Missy produced, Jazmine Sullivan penned "Everything To Me" was a hit though.

I ain't big fan of Everytime The Beat Drop but it actually did okay on the charts. Also, she said did't wanna release the song as a single the label wanted her too. The next single A Dozen Roses that Missy did on that album flopped. Love All Over Me did good to off Still Standing that JD and Bryan produced.. If you ever look at Monica singles in the 00's either Missy,Jd and Bryan produced them.

 

[Nintendough]

Aaliyah would be I her Mya/Ashanti stages where she would be getting thick AF

 

[JustCKing]

And while we're at it, let's just dead this whole notion that Aaliyah wasn't a star and that she only became this superstar AFTER she died. If you want to say she was overrated, that's far more of an accurate assessment than attempting to rewrite history. Aaliyah was the lead actress in a film in which they could've gotten anyone else. If you're not a star, no studio is going to gamble on a brand that can't draw audiences to watch their film. Furthermore, your songs on a soundtrack aren't pushing soundtracks to sell 1.5 to 2 million copies by themselves.

 

[TrebleMan]

I legit think she'd be a big, mature, respected artist.

She would not have taken Beyonce's lane, they'd both have their own lane, but I don't think she'd have the same peak as Bey.

One thing she understood very well was how to keep intrigue and understood the public dynamics. She had a very wide world view, and I can only see that helping her out much more than the other singers she gets comparisons to.

I think she'd make a lot of impact whenever she released music based on this, most likely would have a few more very memorable videos along the way also.

 

[Wacky D]

even as a kid, I knew Aaliyah wasn't gonna have much of a singing career as an adult.

and I knew brandy was gonna struggle musically. she was too popcorn, too much of an annoyance, and not extraordinary talented to make up for it.

you can put immature in the same boat as brandy, thanks mostly to how chris stokes handled the group's image.

And while we're at it, let's just dead this whole notion that Aaliyah wasn't a star and that she only became this superstar AFTER she died. If you want to say she was overrated, that's far more of an accurate assessment than attempting to rewrite history. Aaliyah was the lead actress in a film in which they could've gotten anyone else. If you're not a star, no studio is going to gamble on a brand that can't draw audiences to watch their film. Furthermore, your songs on a soundtrack aren't pushing soundtracks to sell 1.5 to 2 million copies by themselves.

Aaliyah was a star but she was never a superstar when she was alive.

BOTTOM LINE.

Aaliyah was a star on the downside of her music career, who died and became a superstar in death, and then went on to have the most overrated post-death legacy in the history of music and possibly all facets of entertainment.

also, stop acting like she was the big draw for that "romeo must die" movie. like jet li & DMX didn't exist all a sudden.

youre so full of chit.

No I don't mean "Crazy In Love". "'03 Bonnie And Clyde" set the stage for Beyoncé's solo career.

Again, more excuses.

Nothing about "Work It Out" indicated that it was for a soundtrack. The fact that you're in here listing like three different movies proves you don't know what you're talking about.

Intent is beside the point. The point still stands that success as the lead of a successful group doesn't always translate to solo success.

03 bonnie & clyde wasn't even that popular.

so youre telling me that you saw the video to "work it out" and immediately thought about that being a serious rollout for her albums?

@ the bolded. as always, you completely missed the point. I'm starting to think that you have aschburgers(sp?)

intent IS INDEED the point. beyonce is more Diana ross than somebody like say Coko or an Athena cage.

I legit think she'd be a big, mature, respected artist..

I cant think of any respected mature artists that cant sing, write or produce.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

I guess this is a product of the average age around here. Aaliyah's last cd wasnt received with the same fan fare as the previous efforts. "We Need A Resolution" wasn't blowing people away like "Are You That Somebody" or "One In A Million" did though I like the song. Her last cd opened up at #19 selling 62k first week then the numbers got inflated when the plane went down. Could she have bounced back? Who knows but think about it...In 2001 internet piracy wasn't nearly as prominent as it is now. What would she have sold if things are like they are now? Sounds like Troy Ave Game Ciara numbers. What major act do you know whose sales have sunk so low? Aaliyah would have ended up on the coroners tray like Ciara,Ashanti, Mya, Keyshia Cole etc all eventually ended up.

 

[Wacky D]

I guess this is a product of the average age around here. Aaliyah's last cd wasnt received with the same fan fare as the previous efforts. "We Need A Resolution" wasn't blowing people away like "Are You That Somebody" or "One In A Million" did though I like the song. Her last cd opened up at #19 selling 62k first week then the numbers got inflated when the plane went down. Could she have bounced back? Who knows but think about it...In 2001 internet piracy wasn't nearly as prominent as it is now. What would she have sold if things are like they are now? Sounds like Troy Ave Game Ciara numbers. What major act do you know whose sales have sunk so low? Aaliyah would have ended up on the coroners tray like Ciara,Ashanti, Mya, Keyshia Cole etc all eventually ended up.

good post

and whats funny is, every name in the bolded(minus Mya) had a bigger peak than Aaliyah.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Aaliyah had more hits than all of them before she passed tho. So you really can't say that. And she was doing movies and had a better look.

Sitting Up In My Room
Baby
Broken-hearted
I Want To Be Down
The Boy Is Mine
Have You Ever
Sitting on top of the world

Not to mention being on the most relevant black show at the time Moesha

Brandy was top billing in those days my boy lol