If Aaliyah was still here, do you think she would be the best female artist in R&B/Pop right now?

[JustCKing]

I guess this is a product of the average age around here. Aaliyah's last cd wasnt received with the same fan fare as the previous efforts. "We Need A Resolution" wasn't blowing people away like "Are You That Somebody" or "One In A Million" did though I like the song. Her last cd opened up at #19 selling 62k first week then the numbers got inflated when the plane went down. Could she have bounced back? Who knows but think about it...In 2001 internet piracy wasn't nearly as prominent as it is now. What would she have sold if things are like they are now? Sounds like Troy Ave Game Ciara numbers. What major act do you know whose sales have sunk so low? Aaliyah would have ended up on the coroners tray like Ciara,Ashanti, Mya, Keyshia Cole etc all eventually ended up.

Last album opened with 187K debuting at #2. The week of the plane crash, it was selling 62K.

The only truths in that post is the bit about "We Need A Resolution" and "who knows if she could've bounced back". Internet piracy in 2001 indeed affected sales, but music was still selling at a pace where albums could still rebound and go platinum.

We don't know if Aaliyah would've gone the way of Ciara, Ashanti, Mya, and Keyshia Cole or went the way of Rihanna.

 

[JustCKing]

Aaliyah was a star but she was never a superstar when she was alive.

BOTTOM LINE.

Aaliyah was a star on the downside of her music career, who died and became a superstar in death, and then went on to have the most overrated post-death legacy in the history of music and possibly all facets of entertainment.

also, stop acting like she was the big draw for that "romeo must die" movie. like jet li & DMX didn't exist all a sudden.

youre so full of chit.

Aaliyah was a star is all that needs to be said. People were calling her a superstar before she died.

Uum, DMX was on the screen for that movie all of, but 5 minutes. Aaliyah was the lead actress and her songs were the biggest from the soundtrack so that success of that movie was partially due to her star power more so than DMX's.

03 bonnie & clyde wasn't even that popular.

so youre telling me that you saw the video to "work it out" and immediately thought about that being a serious rollout for her albums?

@ the bolded. as always, you completely missed the point. I'm starting to think that you have aschburgers(sp?)

intent IS INDEED the point. beyonce is more Diana ross than somebody like say Coko or an Athena cage.

"03 Bonnie & Clyde" was a huge single. That was the beginning of the whole Jay and Beyoncé being an item talk.

"Work It Out" was Beyoncé's first solo single, so of course people took it serious. It just wasn't successful. Regardless of whether it was part of the roll-out for an album, the song was what was chosen to launch her solo career. It was the first song to introduce her to the world as Beyoncé.

Yeah accuse people of having some mental disorder when you can't form a legit argument.

And again, you're missing the point (which wasn't even directed at you in the first place). Beyoncé, like any other lead singer of a successful group, wasn't guaranteed success a solo artist.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Last album opened with 187K debuting at #2. The week of the plane crash, it was selling 62K.

The only truths in that post is the bit about "We Need A Resolution" and "who knows if she could've bounced back". Internet piracy in 2001 indeed affected sales, but music was still selling at a pace where albums could still rebound and go platinum.

We don't know if Aaliyah would've gone the way of Ciara, Ashanti, Mya, and Keyshia Cole or went the way of Rihanna.

Internet piracy has become more accessible and common place over time. The demo that was utilizing Napster and shyt like that has broadened immensely. People were still putting up numbers. I see that Aaliyah came out July 7 of 01. I misread the Forbes article I came across. All I remembered was it came out over the summer and she was dead soon after. Does it take away from the fact that the album was underperforming? No Does it take away from the fact that people were making fun of her outfit after her 106 & Park performance? No. Why would that matter? It was a sign that she could have potentially been losing her coolness that made her her in the public. I do agree in theory you never know. Those were the final days of cds going platinum off the strength of a second or third single.

 

[JustCKing]

Internet piracy has become more accessible and common place over time. The demo that was utilizing Napster and shyt like that has broadened immensely. People were still putting up numbers. I see that Aaliyah came out July 7 of 01. I misread the Forbes article I came across. All I remembered was it came out over the summer and she was dead soon after. Does it take away from the fact that the album was underperforming? No Does it take away from the fact that people were making fun of her outfit after her 106 & Park performance? No. Why would that matter? It was a sign that she could have potentially been losing her coolness that made her her in the public. I do agree in theory you never know. Those were the final days of cds going platinum off the strength of a second or third single.

Yes, it takes away from the fact that it was underperforming. 187K was nearly quadruple what she did in her first week in '96. It also goes against what her label was saying about her third album selling slower than her second one. People making fun of her outfit is laughable. Every celeb is made fun of and it takes nothing away from their cool factor.

2001 wasn't the final days of CD's going platinum off the strength of a second or third single. Keyshia Cole's debut was written off as a flop until the third/fourth single in "I Should've Cheated" dropped. This was after a Kanye feature and produced song with "I Changed My Mind", and an a Alicia Keys produced single in "I Just Want It To Be Over". During that era, only a handful of females were platinum off one single.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

You completely missed the point. My point is that just because an artist is the lead singer of a successful group, it doesn't mean that they will be successful as a solo artist. Beyoncé was geared to be a solo artist from the jump, but developing her into a legitimate solo act took time.


Excuses.

Female artists have built careers and have had huge successes from soundtrack singles (regardless of how 'gimmicky'). Prime example of that is Beyoncé having a #1 single in 2006 off of the Pink Panther soundtrack with "Check On It". The fact is Beyoncé's first outing as a solo artist was a flop and she didn't resonate until "'03 Bonnie & Clyde" with Jay Z.

Work it out and 03 Bonnie and Clyde are only a few months apart. Your misinformed AF as if it took Beyonce a few years to take off as a solo artist. Dangerously in love came out a year after work it out and produced 5 top 10 singles. Check up on it cashed in on the Houston music takeover in 04-05 and Beyoncé was already a solo superstar by then.

 

[JustCKing]

Work it out and 03 Bonnie and Clyde are only a few months apart. Your misinformed AF as if it took Beyonce a few years to take off as a solo artist. Dangerously in love came out a year after work it out and produced 5 top 10 singles. Check up on it cashed in on the Houston music takeover in 04-05 and Beyoncé was already a solo superstar by then.

That wasn't the point. People were in here saying Beyoncé was selling 5 million records as if it wasn't Destiny's Child. Yes, Beyoncé was the lead singer, but that isn't the same as Beyoncé being a solo artist. I was pointing out that Beyoncé's solo career got off to a slow start, which it did. "'03 Bonnie & Clyde" was the rebound from "Work It Out". When Dangerously In Love came out nearly 1 year later, what was it led by? A song that featured Jay Z that played off the chemistry established with "Bonnie & Clyde". Beyoncé becoming a solo star wasn't some instant success.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

That wasn't the point. People were in here saying Beyoncé was selling 5 million records as if it wasn't Destiny's Child. Yes, Beyoncé was the lead singer, but that isn't the same as Beyoncé being a solo artist. I was pointing out that Beyoncé's solo career got off to a slow start, which it did. "'03 Bonnie & Clyde" was the rebound from "Work It Out". When Dangerously In Love came out nearly 1 year later, what was it led by? A song that featured Jay Z that played off the chemistry established with "Bonnie & Clyde". Beyoncé becoming a solo star wasn't some instant success.

She was still bigger than aaliyah though. Beyonce was the leader of projects that were bigger than anything Aaliyah put out before her death and Beyonce first album sold 9 million and produced 5 top 10s and 2 billboard #1s. So her first project after DC hiatus and only a year after the "flop" was a success

 

[phantom 4 lyfe]

She was still bigger than aaliyah though. Beyonce was the leader of projects that were bigger than anything Aaliyah put out before her death and Beyonce first album sold 9 million and produced 5 top 10s and 2 billboard #1s. So her first project after DC hiatus and only a year after the "flop" was a success

you bugging out. how old were you in 2001?

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Yes, it takes away from the fact that it was underperforming. 187K was nearly quadruple what she did in her first week in '96. It also goes against what her label was saying about her third album selling slower than her second one. People making fun of her outfit is laughable. Every celeb is made fun of and it takes nothing away from their cool factor.

2001 wasn't the final days of CD's going platinum off the strength of a second or third single. Keyshia Cole's debut was written off as a flop until the third/fourth single in "I Should've Cheated" dropped. This was after a Kanye feature and produced song with "I Changed My Mind", and an a Alicia Keys produced single in "I Just Want It To Be Over". During that era, only a handful of females were platinum off one single.

Everybody gets made fun of. I just don't think it wasn't a coincidence that someone who was so beloved for her style leading up to that promo run suddenly saw people turn on her and her album was underperforming. Her exceeding her initial predictions is a product of the expectations she was failing to meet the third time around. There is more but fukk it I respect your knowledge

 

[JustCKing]

She was still bigger than aaliyah though. Beyonce was the leader of projects that were bigger than anything Aaliyah put out before her death and Beyonce first album sold 9 million and produced 5 top 10s and 2 billboard #1s. So her first project after DC hiatus and only a year after the "flop" was a success

Destiny's Child was bigger than Aaliyah. That is not the same as Beyonce being bigger. Beyonce was not a solo artist until after Aaliyah died. The only thing Beyonce did as a solo artist while Aaliyah was alive were guest spots.

And again, Beyonce initially got off to a rocky start in regard to going solo. According to Beyonce, Columbia was about to shelve her debut because they felt none of the songs were hits, which would've been an epic mistake, but it is what is. There's also the fact that her father pushed her album back from October to December of 2002, and it still didn't arrive until June 2003. I'm not making any of this up:

Nelly Hit Forces Change In Plans For Destiny's Child LPs

And for further evidence of group success not translating into solo success, Kelly Rowland was doing DC numbers either.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

you bugging out. how old were you in 2001?

19 and remember survior selling 10 million ww in one year and WOTW selling 1 million per year from 1999-2001. You can easily look these stats up.

Destiny's Child was bigger than Aaliyah. That is not the same as Beyonce being bigger. Beyonce was not a solo artist until after Aaliyah died. The only thing Beyonce did as a solo artist while Aaliyah was alive were guest spots.

And again, Beyonce initially got off to a rocky start in regard to going solo. According to Beyonce, Columbia was about to shelve her debut because they felt none of the songs were hits, which would've been an epic mistake, but it is what is. There's also the fact that her father pushed her album back from October to December of 2002, and it still didn't arrive until June 2003. I'm not making any of this up:

Nelly Hit Forces Change In Plans For Destiny's Child LPs

And for further evidence of group success not translating into solo success, Kelly Rowland was doing DC numbers either.

Beyonce was still apart the group and the leader. Whatever success was DCs is beyonces success too. She was apart of bigger projects than Aaliyah's projects and more people bought projects with Beyonce face on it than Aaliyah. Survivor and TWOT sold more than every Aaliyah album except her last one. That means more people own projects with beyonces face on it than they do Aaliyah's. the only real difference isKelly, Michelle Letoya Latavia Solange Farrah Franklin and whoever else was in that group face is on it too. dangerously in love sold more than Aaliyah's first two albums too. Columbia never believed In her but that doesn't change the fact that she had hits right after a "flop" song. She didn't struggle like you trying to say she did. Every song that came shortly after work it out was a hit.

 

[phantom 4 lyfe]

19 and remember survior selling 10 million ww in one year and WOTW selling 1 million per year from 1999-2001. You can easily look these stats up. Aaliyah's albums


But Beyonce was still apart the group and the leader. Whatever success was DCs is beyonces success too. If D.C. Was more popular than aaaliyah, than that obviously mean that Beyonce was more popular. She was apart of bigger projects than Aaliyah's projects and more people bough projects with Beyonce face on it than Aaliyah's. The only real difference is it was Beyonce, Kelly, Michelle Letoya Latavia Solange Farrah Franklin and whoever else was in that group success too. Matthew was going to let her go solo regardless of what Aaliyah did and she was going to be successful. dangerously in love sold more than Aaliyah's first two albums. So did Bday. Columbia never believed In her but that doesn't change the fact that she had hits right after a "flop" song. She didn't struggle like you trying to say she did. Every song that came shortly after work it out was a hit.

you were born in 1982? how the fukk you remember that shyt in 2001?? you had an expensive computer and monthly billboard magazines at your house in the suburbs?
call you donald, dukktaler smh
aaliyah was on bet all that summer before she died. plus she did MTV DIARY... dumb ass.
beyonce was still with her swollen gums trying to promote bootylicious that charted AS AN ALL GIRL GROUP IN POP MUSIC.
not rnb hip hop like aaliyah

try again... dukktaler. liar

 

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[phantom 4 lyfe]

Survivor sold 10 million in the year of 2001 alone worldwide. The writings on the wall sold 5.8 million in the US by may 2001. Like I said look the stats up. Aaliyah was still alive to that point and she never sold that many records. Ever. So swollen guns was more famous than Aaliyah. Who gives a fukk what genre it was. Aaliyah, in life or death, never reached the peak that Beyonce had by herself or with DC

10 million all in 2001??? please link that up. im lazy and wont look it up.
survivor was a single? or an album????
when did it come out?

why wasnt beyonce on bet and mtv that summer? why not that girl group? why aaliyah getting interviewed by beyonce with her swollen gums on a red carpet?
why aaliyah the star??

sand type bytch beyonce is

 

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