"If all you listen to is ignorant trap shyt, you [become] an ignorant trap nikka" - Joey Badass

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Very very true

Correct me if I'm wrong cause I know you know your music, but I'm under the impression that those genres of music (especially rock, rap) were attacked because the establishment feared it for the subsersive potential it had, and given voice to the youth. On the other hand trap music is accepted/pushed by the mainstream precisely because they know those who listen to it aren't subsersive at all, and represent no threath whatsoever to the establishment.

Trap isnt subversive? Trap is being pushed by mainstream? How many trap artist are selling like that or making billboard? They JUST added streaming to Billboard. I don't buy that.
 

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This is kind of the problem I have with his latest album.

He has some basic social commentary and acts like its something profound....but scratching the surface at best.

He'll get cosigned because there's a "message" but it's neither profound nor deep. Like, you don't have to listen to his album or watch this interview to figure this out

Why does it have to be profound? It's just positive music and most artists in that lane aren't saying anything deep.
 

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Trap isnt subversive? Trap is being pushed by mainstream? How many trap artist are selling like that or making billboard? They JUST added streaming to Billboard. I don't buy that.

How is it subversive? From what I hear it promotes consumerism, makes being "a savage" cool, violence, etc...now of course one can point to other artists before who did that too, but often a positive message was also in there, either calling out the authorities or uplifting black people.

I shouldn't have phrased it that way, since I don't even listen to radio or watch tv, so you're right maybe the mainstream isn't pushing trap music. But it doesn't seem like it's attacking it either like rap or rock back in the day, like you rightly pointed out. So if it's not actively pushed, it's at least passively accepted by the mainstream.
 

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How is it subversive?

How is Young Thug or Chief Keef and all of their children not subversive? lol. Literally the closest things to early rap and punk rock in music today.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me how ppl can point out the negative connotations of "trap music" and right on cue nikkas come running in with their capes on :cape:
I'm saying though

That's why I think we are going thru an anti intellectual phase in hip hop(despite 2 out of 3 of the biggest rappers being intellectuals and possibly drake if you live and think like a sensitive phaggot)

People are knocking conscious lyrics and laid back atmospheres for trap beats and bars with 3 words. Even white folks :gucci:
 

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How is Young Thug or Chief Keef and all of their children not subversive? lol. Literally the closest things to early rap and punk rock in music today.

I fail to see what's subversive about them. Quite the contrary actually, but maybe I have a different understanding of what subversive is :yeshrug:

Anyhow there's a reason they are not attacked by the mainstream as HH and rock etc were. They fit in.
 

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Music doesnt make the man.

This isnt any different then old cacs saying rap was going to turn everyone into a bunch of savages.

Listening to Future doesnt make you a fiend
Listening to 21 Savage doesnt make you violent.
Listening to J Cole and Kendrick doesnt make you woke.
Folks on here constantly talk about how poor blacks commit crime and destroy our communities because of conditioning by white men who have never stepped foot in our neighborhoods. Yet you think that we're somehow "above" being conditioned by the very music so many of our people view as a pathway to wealth and success?
 

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I fail to see what's subversive about them. Quite the contrary actually, but maybe I have a different understanding of what subversive is :yeshrug:

Anyhow there's a reason they are not attacked by the mainstream as HH and rock etc were. They fit in.

lol you're European....it makes sense that you're clueless on this issue.
 

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I find church to be bullshyt for the most part but the one thing I never forgot is what my late bishop said. He told all the young people in the house to be careful of what they listen to. He said its fine to listen to rap music, in particular trap, but try to balance it out with R&B, Pop or even Jazz so that your soul and temperament can be smoothed out.

I even used this experiment on kids and it worked for them.
 

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This is kind of the problem I have with his latest album.

He has some basic social commentary and acts like its something profound....but scratching the surface at best.

He'll get cosigned because there's a "message" but it's neither profound nor deep. Like, you don't have to listen to his album or watch this interview to figure this out


This is some hater shyt.


You want Joey to rap out a goddamn post-grad thesis. :mjlol:


Joey is an influential person with a voice, you're just another dude on an internet forum not really doing anything to help black people.
 
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why is it every time rap is the subject of its impact on the human psyche, there's always nikkas finna treat rap music like it's immune to the research conclusions and mental treatment that is based on repetition and symbolism, being used to condition the human mind, that is used by PR firms, advertisement agencies, health and fitness professionals?


Dudes will nod their ahead to the notion that white supremacy exists in other forms of the media, though.
 

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Why does it have to be profound? It's just positive music and most artists in that lane aren't saying anything deep.


He can't even name another artist with the exposure and influence that Joey has, doing the same thing calling out white america for 12 straight tracks.

Albums are like these come once every blue moon.
 
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