for all y'all sayin', how would biggie's fame and popularity would've stopped jay, well because biggie was so much of a factor at the time even when jay did drop his NOW classic reasonable doubt (which i take nothin' from that album, it's a great album), jay was not a factor then. he couldn't "bust a grape in a fruit fight" back then when he was at his peak as an mc; it took big's death and a an annie sample for jay to be a big name in the game
reasonable doubt was an independent street album, with jay-z being a newcomer to the general public.
meanwhile biggie was technically 2 albums deep with bad boy being clive davis' top rap priority, backed by a red-hot prime puffy.
and this was when mainstream rap was still legit. rappers had shorter shelf lives and biggie would've caught hella flack for LAD & '97 bad boy had he lived.
Cause he isnt strong in that department....
BIG was strong in all fields!!!
Lyrics...flow...hooks..stage presence...street cred...and song structure
BEST TO EVER RAP ABOUT COCAINE ON THE MIC!!!!
CREATED THAT LANE FOR HOV TO WALK THRU
FUKK WRONG WIT YALL CONVIENIENT AMNESIA HAVING NEGROES
this feature alone shyts on half of Jay z catalog:
HOLD UP.
where were all these memorable biggie hooks? i cant even think of a handful that were notable. and puff was prolly responsible for half of em, along with most of his song structures.
and he didn't do the hook in the clip you posted, and he got outshined rapping behind styles.
camel >>> biggie
same year biggie was gonna drop the commission album
biggie woulda snatched that beat up with the quickness
biggie would've sounded like chit over that beat.
and jay wasnt under biggie. unlike big, jay had his own label. biggie wasnt snatchin no beats from jay.
and the commission album probably wouldn't have even dropped in '98, if at all. just like 99% of all proposed collabo albums.
I think Jay would have still been able to achieve some success in hip hop and carved his own path in the game but had Biggie never been killed, he would have always been second place to him.
Reasonable Doubt was one of his most creative efforts, and then on the next album, he started making tracks like "Sunshine" and "I Know What Girls Like."
He had to have been influenced by the Bad Boy formula. A door opened for him at some point.
if biggie lived, i'd bet that volume 1 would've sounded like reasonable doubt and/or the tracks on "streets is watching".
jay is a trend-hopper. LAD wouldn't have been as well-received if biggie lived. i think jay might have stayed away from the bandwagon if biggie didn't get killed. or at least he would just be halfway on it.
Since BIG passed there's absolutely no denying it benifitted jay and puffy.
Puffy dancing around in the I'll be missing you video and all the singles after ..
It's what made him IMO
BIG would've kept that number 1 spot and I believe the rest would've had to play second in command
puffy had huge hits when biggie was still alive.
respect to the dead, but nobody benefited from biggie's death more than biggie himself.
every other rapper went crazy went away or got played under puff including the lox....what makes biggie different? if anything eventually he would have dikked him too.. jayz wasnt directly connected to biggie in any way that would have stopped his career arc. including business decisions he made later so i dont see it
yep
these dudes aren't using logical reasoning man.
they think deceased rappers are untouchable super heroes.
Big & Puff's relationship was completely different than Puff had with any of his other artists fam. I'm not taking any shots at you but if you were old enough back then to see their relationship & Puff's relationship with all of his other artists till now, you'd see the difference yourself. There's a really good thread
@Rapmastermind made that had a ton of info about Big's future plans & you'd be amazed & what he had lined up & see where Jay & Puff stole from him.
then explain why big was crying broke and complaining about puff.
and dog, most rappers have big plans. most of which never work out. just because biggie died, it doesn't mean that his plans were gonna magically come to fruition if he lived. lol. junior mafia didn't even pan out like he wanted.
Yep....It was like Shaq(Big) died and Patrick Ewing(Jay) took his place
Ewing's no slouch, but he ain't Shaq
And now niccaz put Jay over Big because of "longevity"..."accolades"..etc..etc.
Just imagine if Shaq would've died in '96, right before he signed with the Lakers.
The Lake show signed Ewing instead, he went on to play 6-7 more years, win a couple of rings, few all star games etc...etc..
dog, even if i agreed with your biggie/jay argument, this is a bad analogy. it would've made more sense if you replaced ewing with mourning or mutombo.
ewing & shaq are really not of the same era. ewing was wrapping up his prime when shaq came into the league, and his knees were almost done by the time shaq went to the lakers. no way ewing would've led those lakers to any titles.
...im telling you to the majority of people who are the reason Jay blew,he wasnt seen as Biggies lil man....your overexgerating the fukk out of that link to fit your narrative,like most people who run with this bullshyt do.
....we gon pretend RD was the commercial reach his followups were?....Illmatic flopped with more hype than Jay had.
...you can't deny that hard knock life single no matter how hard yall try,that was game changing,revolutionary shyt....Biggie never had a single like that,yet yall question Hov.
