if biggie was still around, jay z would be nothin' more than lil cease status

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Jay-z doesn't do a lot of hooks on his singles.

Cause he isnt strong in that department....

BIG was strong in all fields!!!

Lyrics...flow...hooks..stage presence...street cred...and song structure

BEST TO EVER RAP ABOUT COCAINE ON THE MIC!!!!

CREATED THAT LANE FOR HOV TO WALK THRU

FUKK WRONG WIT YALL CONVIENIENT AMNESIA HAVING NEGROES

this feature alone shyts on half of Jay z catalog:

 

[Renegade47]

i hate when you nikkas say this shyt.

how would big stop hov from getting big?

why do yall assume fans wouldnt fukk with hov cus biggie was alive?

 

[I love Latina women]

But HOV > Biggie



Ready to Die > Reasonable Doubt =TBA > Blueprint > Life After Death

stop with "the boo boo" *pimp c's voice*
ready to die >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable doubt
life after death >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the blueprint

i feel foolish even comparin' ANY of jay's albums to biggie's 2

and for the record, i fukks with rd, bp, ag and tba (some of it)

but NONE of jay's albums are seein' biggie's rtd or lad. NONE of em'!

 

[Theodoresolderbreh]

every other rapper went crazy went away or got played under puff including the lox....what makes biggie different? if anything eventually he would have dikked him too.. jayz wasnt directly connected to biggie in any way that would have stopped his career arc. including business decisions he made later so i dont see it

 

[lucky lefty]

And if ur father wasn't such a broke ass, thirsty ass, remedial ass fukk nikka he would've nutted you in your crackwhore mother's a$$hole/throat, or rammed a rusty hanger up her pregnant p*ssy, instead of leaving you to develop into the delusional, fruit booty boy toy you are in that dead fetus remains filled wasteland of a womb

Fact of the matter is nothing short of intergalatic armageddon was gon stop the GOAT our Flow Lord and Lyrical Savior Hova Da Gawd from becoming the GOAT our Flow Lord and Lyrical Savior Hova Da Gawd no matter how much that burns the collective boy coochies of cockriding stans

Sugary Smalls the Notorious faq aka Down Syndrome Smalls the Notorious RETARD aka Tranny Smalls the Notorious SHIM aka ODB (Ole Diabetic b*stard) aka Frankfurter White aka Crisco Wallace aka Lazyie Big Boned aka Buffet West on his best day ain't fukking with the GOAT our Flow Lord and Lyrical Savior Hova Da Gawd on his worst and both op & he lost

 

[I love Latina women]

for all y'all sayin', how would biggie's fame and popularity would've stopped jay, well because biggie was so much of a factor at the time even when jay did drop his NOW classic reasonable doubt (which i take nothin' from that album, it's a great album), jay was not a factor then. he couldn't "bust a grape in a fruit fight" back then when he was at his peak as an mc; it took big's death and a an annie sample for jay to be a big name in the game

if biggie was still here, he would've kept those hit records and classic albums comin'
life after death and his verse on victory shows us he had no signs of fallin' off no time soon

so miss me with all this jay z bullshyt y'all talkin'

see if some of y'all were fans instead of stans, y'all could come correct but instead and to quote nas, "y'all deal with emotions just like bytches"

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

LONG BEFORE DRAKE....

JAY Z got exposed for PLAGURIZING MANY VERSES FROM B.I.G

WORD TO CAMRON and DJ FELLI FEL



Close the gottdamn thread u young fukks and apologize to @stomachlines

 

[I love Latina women]

And if ur father wasn't such a broke ass, thirsty ass, remedial ass fukk nikka he would've nutted you in your crackwhore mother's a$$hole/throat, or rammed a rusty hanger up her pregnant p*ssy, instead of leaving you to develop into the delusional, fruit booty boy toy you are in that dead fetus remains filled wasteland of a womb

Fact of the matter is nothing short of intergalatic armageddon was gon stop the GOAT our Flow Lord and Lyrical Savior Hova Da Gawd from becoming the GOAT our Flow Lord and Lyrical Savior Hova Da Gawd no matter how much that burns the collective boy coochies of cockriding stans

Sugary Smalls the Notorious faq aka Down Syndrome Smalls the Notorious RETARD aka Tranny Smalls the Notorious SHIM aka ODB (Ole Diabetic b*stard) aka Frankfurter White aka Crisco Wallace aka Lazyie Big Boned aka Buffet West on his best day ain't fukking with the GOAT our Flow Lord and Lyrical Savior Hova Da Gawd on his worst and both op & he lost

if you gon stan, it should be biggie you stannin', after all that's who's jay been quotin' for over a decade and some change now

 

[I love Latina women]

LONG BEFORE DRAKE....

JAY Z got exposed for PLAGURIZING MANY VERSES FROM B.I.G

WORD TO CAMRON and DJ FELLI FEL



Close the gottdamn thread u young fukks and apologize to @stomachlines

exactly! great post @The HONORABLE SKJ

i love when a real nikka come through and talks with intelligent and knows what the fukk he talkin' bout because he was actually around when events took place

these young nikkas have no idea

i would +rep you if i could @The HONORABLE SKJ , yo post always on point. 1 of my favorite posters, real talk

 

[Cloud McFly]

for all y'all sayin', how would biggie's fame and popularity would've stopped jay, well because biggie was so much of a factor at the time even when jay did drop his NOW classic reasonable doubt (which i take nothin' from that album, it's a great album), jay was not a factor then. he couldn't "bust a grape in a fruit fight" back then when he was at his peak as an mc; it took big's death and a an annie sample for jay to be a big name in the game

if biggie was still here, he would've kept those hit records and classic albums comin'
life after death and his verse on victory shows us he had no signs of fallin' off no time soon

so miss me with all this jay z bullshyt y'all talkin'

see if some of y'all were fans instead of stans, y'all could come correct but instead and to quote nas, "y'all deal with emotions just like bytches"

One artist's popularity can't stop another's success, no matter how much you want it to be true.

All this "if so and so was alive" shyt is just the go-to theory a person uses to downplay someone's success that they aren't too fond of. LL Cool J didn't stop Big Daddy Kane. MC Hammer didn't stop Vanilla Ice. Ice Cube didn't stop 2Pac. I could go on, but I feel it won't really matter because usually when one believes this type of theory, nothing can change their mind.

 

[THEREALBRAND]

for all y'all sayin', how would biggie's fame and popularity would've stopped jay, well because biggie was so much of a factor at the time even when jay did drop his NOW classic reasonable doubt (which i take nothin' from that album, it's a great album), jay was not a factor then. he couldn't "bust a grape in a fruit fight" back then when he was at his peak as an mc; it took big's death and a an annie sample for jay to be a big name in the game

if biggie was still here, he would've kept those hit records and classic albums comin'
life after death and his verse on victory shows us he had no signs of fallin' off no time soon

so miss me with all this jay z bullshyt y'all talkin'

see if some of y'all were fans instead of stans, y'all could come correct but instead and to quote nas, "y'all deal with emotions just like bytches"

So how do you explain Nas going from Illmatic, which was a non-factor on the charts, to dropping a hit album like IWW?

By your logic just because BIG was around Nas shouldn't have achieved mainstream success in 96.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

I think Jay would have still been able to achieve some success in hip hop and carved his own path in the game but had Biggie never been killed, he would have always been second place to him.

Reasonable Doubt was one of his most creative efforts, and then on the next album, he started making tracks like "Sunshine" and "I Know What Girls Like." He had to have been influenced by the Bad Boy formula. A door opened for him at some point.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

So how do you explain Nas going from Illmatic, which was a non-factor on the charts, to dropping a hit album like IWW?

By your logic just because BIG was around Nas shouldn't have achieved mainstream success in 96.

Thats APPLES and ORANGES breh

NAS and BIG were in different lanes

But JAY definitely was in the same lane as that COKE RAP field that BIG dominated

 

[-Quikness-]

maybe not lil cease status but you get the point
look, i like reasonable doubt, bp, tba and ag. rd is of my favorites hip hop albums that has gotten better w/ time
but let's not act like jay z won't a poor man's version of biggie (and for the record, i like jay z)
biggie was jay's blueprint. everythin' biggie did, jay has followed suit and did when it comes to the music
anytime a man quotes another man every since album since 2nd album (vol. 1) it speaks volume

when big was here, there was no room for jay to spread his wings
big had the game on lock, especially as far as the east coast went with solo artist (competition bein' nas)
no jay z album comes close to ready to die
no jay z album comes close to life after death
even on jay's best day with rd, bp and tba, he pales in comarison to biggie's monumental albums
i know a bunch of stans will come in here and say this or that but i'm sorry, facts is facts
i say this as a jay z FAN but jay z was able take over the game due to both big and pac's passin'
jay z is a poor man's or diet coke version of biggie
jay z can fool the generation of fans who know of him from blueprint and on but not us old heads
biggie was the true king of new york; frank white

where my fellow old heads at who know what's up at?

Since BIG passed there's absolutely no denying it benifitted jay and puffy.

Puffy dancing around in the I'll be missing you video and all the singles after ..

It's what made him IMO

BIG would've kept that number 1 spot and I believe the rest would've had to play second in command

 

[Harry B]

It always annoys me when people try to act like Big and Pac were the only people selling albums back then. Like you said, if you had skills and could make hits you had a chance of being successful. Big being alive wouldn't have kept Jay from being a star.

It's funny cause BTNH sold more than both Pac and Big, so did The Fugees.
Then we got the people that didn't quite do AEOM numbers but still did up towards 2-3 mill which was more or the same numbers as R2D and MATW had done at the time, like Outkast, Nas, Snoop, Coolio, Lil Kim, LL Cool j and I'm probably forgetting some cats.