if biggie was still around, jay z would be nothin' more than lil cease status

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Come on fam don't start that. Pac might've gave him tidbits about the rap game but Puff was the one instrumental in getting him to make radio friendly songs

You can believe that propagada pushed by that pro puffy "NOTORIOUS" movie all you want

But PAC gave BIG more than just tidbits on the rap game breh

He was probably the most INFLUENTUAL RAP FIGURE in BIGGIEs career

Its one of the reasons PUFF was trying to sign PAC cause PAC was the prototype for "BAD BOY"

 

[I love Latina women]

One artist's popularity can't stop another's success, no matter how much you want it to be true.

All this "if so and so was alive" shyt is just the go-to theory a person uses to downplay someone's success that they aren't too fond of. LL Cool J didn't stop Big Daddy Kane. MC Hammer didn't stop Vanilla Ice. Ice Cube didn't stop 2Pac. I could go on, but I feel it won't really matter because usually when one believes this type of theory, nothing can change their mind.

bruh, come on now. you and i both know how huge and big of talent biggie was.
jay is good but biggie was great
biggie had shyt on LOCK
and if he would not have died, i don't think shyt would've change that anytime soon with life after death bein' the masterpiece it is and his victory verse
when big was here, jay won't holdin' no candle to his greatness. it was only after big was gone that jay begin to find his way
jay had a lane that was his for takin' with big bein' gone and that annie sample
i ain't tryin' to argue but i'm only callin' shyt for what it is

 

[I love Latina women]

I didn't know my breh was a Hov hater

I'm loyal to the Roc

I'm disappointed breh

not a hater, never that and if you read my posts in that thread, you wouldn't have said that either. i acknowledged jay's albums and the music by him i like

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Because Puff saw Big as an equal whereas he didn't feel that way towards his other artists.

If PUFF saw BIG as such a equal:

Why did Ms WALLACE have to fight PUFF for half a decade just to get a settlement for royalties owed to him?

And why did BIG have to resort to selling bootleg copies of his debut lp and contemplate making out of state drug runs cause PUFF was shorting him on the bread?

Also why did he push KIM and JR MAFIA to go elsewhere other than BAD BOY to get thier DEALS?

 

[Theodoresolderbreh]

Because Puff saw Big as an equal whereas he didn't feel that way towards his other artists.

if you say so. we only have examples puff set with multiple artists and no other examples of that being the case (what you said) in others. the same can be said about birdman too.

 

[BaRRyG]

Big had od respect for jay, and Jay wasn't a bum ass mc either. Both big n Jay would of complimented each other well. AZ BIG JAY... lol bk would of owned the game.

 

[I love Latina women]

So how do you explain Nas going from Illmatic, which was a non-factor on the charts, to dropping a hit album like IWW?

By your logic just because BIG was around Nas shouldn't have achieved mainstream success in 96.

times were different and hip hop has always been about a "moment in time"
illmatic wasn't a success by way of sellin' per say but by 96', there'd be a bit of shift in hip hop
for the record, nas was viewed as a "sell out" for it was written
oh sure, nikkas ride for that album more then ever now but back then a lot of nikkas and fans thought he'd sold out
he went with trackmasters for that puffy/hitmen blend of sound too. look at street dreams
with the firm, nas went full scale with the nas esocbar shyt but he started it with it was written (post his feature on only built!)
then too, ONLY BUILT 4 CUBAN LINX, nikka! 95' shyt!
only built 4 cuban linx changed the game. wu had nikkas on there wu gambino shyt which dates back to kool g rap's influence

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Big had od respect for jay, and Jay wasn't a bum ass mc either. Both big n Jay would of complimented each other well. AZ BIG JAY... lol bk would of owned the game.

AZ didnt have the song structure talent on deck

An amazing lyricist!!!

But he didnt have hit song making qualities which is why he always had issues with the labels

 

[I love Latina women]

Since BIG passed there's absolutely no denying it benifitted jay and puffy.

Puffy dancing around in the I'll be missing you video and all the singles after ..

It's what made him IMO

BIG would've kept that number 1 spot and I believe the rest would've had to play second in command

 

[THEREALBRAND]

times were different and hip hop has always been about a "moment in time"
illmatic wasn't a success by way of sellin' per say but by 96', there'd be a bit of shift in hip hop
for the record, nas was viewed as a "sell out" for it was written
oh sure, nikkas ride for that album more then ever now but back then a lot of nikkas and fans thought he'd sold out
he went with trackmasters for that puffy/hitmen blend of sound too. look at street dreams
with the firm, nas went full scale with the nas esocbar shyt but he started it with it was written (post his feature on only built!)
then too, ONLY BUILT 4 CUBAN LINX, nikka! 95' shyt!
only built 4 cuban linx changed the game. wu had nikkas on there wu gambino shyt which dates back to kool g rap's influence

You wrote all that and didn't even come close to addressing the point in my post about Big not stopping Nas from having mainstream success in 96.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Lil Cease has an album as good as RD?

Lil Cease has gold singles from his first album?

Matter of fact Camron wrote "Crush on You".

 

[Knicksman20]

You can believe that propagada pushed by that pro puffy "NOTORIOUS" movie all you want

But PAC gave BIG more than just tidbits on the rap game breh

He was probably the most INFLUENTUAL RAP FIGURE in BIGGIEs career

Its one of the reasons PUFF was trying to sign PAC cause PAC was the prototype for "BAD BOY"

Nah fam I lived through the era did you? And I know Puff made Big rap over the Juicy beat & big hated it but did it anyway. D-Rock confirms the story in a interview he did. Pac might've given him some tidbits but he was indirectly trying to take credit for Big's success which is just plain

 

[ISO]

How Sway? Jay is better than Biggie...

 

[Knicksman20]

If PUFF saw BIG as such a equal:

Why did Ms WALLACE have to fight PUFF for half a decade just to get a settlement for royalties owed to him?

And why did BIG have to resort to selling bootleg copies of his debut lp and contemplate making out of state drug runs cause PUFF was shorting him on the bread?

Also why did he push KIM and JR MAFIA to go elsewhere other than BAD BOY to get thier DEALS?

That was after his death when Puff saw had all that dough coming in. And everyone knows Puff's a snake & a piece of shyt.

And if you listened to Busta's interview about the bootlegging he was putting his own album in the streets because his street buzz was off the charts at time & he was building off that & he knew it wouldn't affect his bottom line. It was kinda genius in a way. Know your history bro

 

[Knicksman20]

if you say so. we only have examples puff set with multiple artists and no other examples of that being the case (what you said) in others. the same can be said about birdman too.

Big & Puff's relationship was completely different than Puff had with any of his other artists fam. I'm not taking any shots at you but if you were old enough back then to see their relationship & Puff's relationship with all of his other artists till now, you'd see the difference yourself. There's a really good thread @Rapmastermind made that had a ton of info about Big's future plans & you'd be amazed & what he had lined up & see where Jay & Puff stole from him.