if biggie was still around, jay z would be nothin' more than lil cease status
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NewWaveEra
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Jay-Z is better than BIG.
I don't think he'd have had the run he did but he would have been successful I feel.
seemorecizzy
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Jayz was destined to be az whether his stans admit or not 
he dropped his best album, had a classic single and barely touched gold
And it's note even so much about the sales, jayZ overall was just a afterthought
The comission album would have further solidified him as biggies little nikka
Not to mention how badly pac was on his ass
He directly benefited from both of them dying and Nas taking a break from solo albums. He also ran with the "me and biggie were bestfriends and he's giving me his throne" gimmick. Smart business man, but he benefitted badly. It is what it is
he dropped his best album, had a classic single and barely touched gold
And it's note even so much about the sales, jayZ overall was just a afterthought
The comission album would have further solidified him as biggies little nikka
Not to mention how badly pac was on his ass
He directly benefited from both of them dying and Nas taking a break from solo albums. He also ran with the "me and biggie were bestfriends and he's giving me his throne" gimmick. Smart business man, but he benefitted badly. It is what it is
vaudevillevillain
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i fully endorse this post. biggie the goatmaybe not lil cease status but you get the point
look, i like reasonable doubt, bp, tba and ag. rd is of my favorites hip hop albums that has gotten better w/ time
but let's not act like jay z won't a poor man's version of biggie (and for the record, i like jay z)
biggie was jay's blueprint. everythin' biggie did, jay has followed suit and did when it comes to the music
anytime a man quotes another man every since album since 2nd album (vol. 1) it speaks volume
when big was here, there was no room for jay to spread his wings
big had the game on lock, especially as far as the east coast went with solo artist (competition bein' nas)
no jay z album comes close to ready to die
no jay z album comes close to life after death
even on jay's best day with rd, bp and tba, he pales in comarison to biggie's monumental albums
i know a bunch of stans will come in here and say this or that but i'm sorry, facts is facts
i say this as a jay z FAN but jay z was able take over the game due to both big and pac's passin'
jay z is a poor man's or diet coke version of biggie
jay z can fool the generation of fans who know of him from blueprint and on but not us old heads
biggie was the true king of new york; frank white
where my fellow old heads at who know what's up at?
I love Latina women
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I'm an old head, and I understand what you're trying to say, but maybe you're overlooking some of the business aspects of being a music star.
Jay-Z's business mind, networking skills, ability to learn and adapt etc. would have made him a force to be reckoned with no matter what.
Let's remember, Biggie was excited about partnering up and working with Jay. Big was already a star when Jay became known to us, but he didn't try to bring Jay in UNDER him. He was going to partner up with him and do business. Jay already had a certain level of clout within industry circles before we even heard Reasonable Doubt.
I'm going to make a comparison that has NOTHING to do with talent, and everything to do with all the other stuff it takes to make it.
Remember when French Montana was running around with Max B, trying to figure out how to do this music thing?
Now French is a rich rap star, simply because he watches, learns, networks, etc.
People tried to claim French wouldn't be hot without Max, but French was going to pick up the game regardless, with or without Max. For whatever reason, after Max got locked up the biggest stars in the game allowed French to be around them, and he soaked up game. Some people just know how to move.
When Jay popped up with Rocafella, he had much more clout in the industry than French did. He also doesn't have a lot of questionable moves in his past like French does. So if he's on par or better than French networking wise, plus he's more talented, and has a less questionable past, what makes you think he wasn't going to blow eventually?
If he wasn't aligned with Big it would have just been somebody else who was popping, and he would have adapted. That's what the beef with Nas was about really.... he wanted to network with Nas and soak up game. Nas wasn't fukking with him, and Jay took it a little too personal because he was getting cosigns from everyone else.
Jay-Z's business mind, networking skills, ability to learn and adapt etc. would have made him a force to be reckoned with no matter what.
Let's remember, Biggie was excited about partnering up and working with Jay. Big was already a star when Jay became known to us, but he didn't try to bring Jay in UNDER him. He was going to partner up with him and do business. Jay already had a certain level of clout within industry circles before we even heard Reasonable Doubt.
I'm going to make a comparison that has NOTHING to do with talent, and everything to do with all the other stuff it takes to make it.
Remember when French Montana was running around with Max B, trying to figure out how to do this music thing?
Now French is a rich rap star, simply because he watches, learns, networks, etc.
People tried to claim French wouldn't be hot without Max, but French was going to pick up the game regardless, with or without Max. For whatever reason, after Max got locked up the biggest stars in the game allowed French to be around them, and he soaked up game. Some people just know how to move.
When Jay popped up with Rocafella, he had much more clout in the industry than French did. He also doesn't have a lot of questionable moves in his past like French does. So if he's on par or better than French networking wise, plus he's more talented, and has a less questionable past, what makes you think he wasn't going to blow eventually?
If he wasn't aligned with Big it would have just been somebody else who was popping, and he would have adapted. That's what the beef with Nas was about really.... he wanted to network with Nas and soak up game. Nas wasn't fukking with him, and Jay took it a little too personal because he was getting cosigns from everyone else.
MooseMouthMthafuga
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Yep....It was like Shaq(Big) died and Patrick Ewing(Jay) took his place
Ewing's no slouch, but he ain't Shaq
And now niccaz put Jay over Big because of "longevity"..."accolades"..etc..etc.
Just imagine if Shaq would've died in '96, right before he signed with the Lakers.
The Lake show signed Ewing instead, he went on to play 6-7 more years, win a couple of rings, few all star games etc...etc..
And now niccaz saying he's better than Shaq because his resume>>>>>>>The Big Aristotle's
Ya know, politics.
When those who were around to see Shaq know for a fact that he was wayyyy more talented
I love Latina women
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Yep....It was like Shaq(Big) died and Patrick Ewing(Jay) took his place
Ewing's no slouch, but he ain't Shaq
And now niccaz put Jay over Big because of "longevity"..."accolades"..etc..etc.
Just imagine if Shaq would've died in '96, right before he signed with the Lakers.
The Lake show signed Ewing instead, he went on to play 6-7 more years, win a couple of rings, few all star games etc...etc..
And now niccaz saying he's better than Shaq because his resume>>>>>>>The Big Aristotle's
Ya know, politics.
When those who were around to see Shaq know for a fact that he was wayyyy more talented
yeah, jay just ain't seein' big's greatness, period. biggie was another plateau
Sunalmighty
Superstar
Probably in terms of rapping. But why would Jay Z give a shyt when Big more than likely wasn't a fraction the business man Jay is
MooseMouthMthafuga
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LONG BEFORE DRAKE....
JAY Z got exposed for PLAGURIZING MANY VERSES FROM B.I.G
WORD TO CAMRON and DJ FELLI FEL
Close the gottdamn thread u young fukks and apologize to @stomachlines
Naw Naw Naw.....He's just "Big up'ing" his brother, tho
Ineedmoney504
SOHH ICEY...WE EATIN
Jay was going to be jay regardless
Big couldn't stop jay from hearing that Annie sample and lacing it wit some ill ass streets lyrics that touched based wit the everybody. Dude had hits out the ass on vol.2.
If anything what would have him was if he was still working wit baby boy in 98 instead of leaving they ass in the dust like he did and went back to the street production.
Regardless jay>>>>biggie
Sorry
Big couldn't stop jay from hearing that Annie sample and lacing it wit some ill ass streets lyrics that touched based wit the everybody. Dude had hits out the ass on vol.2.
If anything what would have him was if he was still working wit baby boy in 98 instead of leaving they ass in the dust like he did and went back to the street production.
Regardless jay>>>>biggie
Sorry
I love Latina women
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African Peasant
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Thats APPLES and ORANGES breh
NAS and BIG were in different lanes
But JAY definitely was in the same lane as that COKE RAP field that BIG dominated
That's the point. Jay and big would have been 2 alligators in the same pool. Jay would not have been able to outshine BIG.
