If God doesn't act, is he complicit?

[Tasha And]

Case in point why this shyt is fugazi.

you have myriad Christian in here...all giving different answers...about the same word of god

once again, make it make sense. How is the literal word of god not interpreted in a uniform manner amongst believers

Christians can't even agree on if salvation is through faith alone. Seems like a pretty epic failure in messaging from "the most high."

 

[Deafheaven]

Christians can't even agree on if salvation is through faith alone. Seems like a pretty epic failure in messaging from "the most high."

shyt is honestly perplexing tbh. If I truly believed that if I follow said book to the tee I would live forever in paradise I would do so but if I didn't there is a random chance the rapture occurs while im in sin I'll go to hell I'd try to not sin. I know if I go into a police station with a ak47 I'm going to get lit up but christians do all manner of sins daily without a care in the world like they can't burn forever.

I frankly do not get it. Almost like they don't believe half of the stuff in said book applies to them

 

[ArKane24]

This isn’t a new concept and I’ve even brought it up here

“Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent

Able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent

both able and willing to stop evil?
Then where does evil come from?

neither willing nor able?
Then why call him God”

Epicurus

It’s really all so simple. Free will is a gift that makes us like gods, in control of our own destinies, and able to shape them as we see fit. That is the gift we were given and, just like a parent, HE has instructed us in the way of peace and life. YAH has continually tried to warn us of the penalties just like a parent should to prepare you for the world outside the home, where we are accountable for own actions, not the parent. HE has already done and is still doing the most by leaving us the blueprint to spiritual freedom and the choice to choose it or spiritual enslavement. You don’t get play outside of the rules and still be blameless.

 

[null]

He's saying each individual has to take account for its own actions..

Humanity just needs to figure out who made it cool harming others..

You yourself can challenge yourself with the question.. Why do you need to harm the next person?

The everyday horrors of the world ... include things which are not caused by human actions i.e. earthquake, storm, birth defects. even some things which occur due to humans actions are unintentional - e.g. i create software with a bug and a plane falls out of the sky. and some things are due to mass action over which no individual has control - crushing crowd, mass hunger etc.

 

[null]

Free will is a gift that makes us like gods, in control of our own destinies

only in some (unproven metaphysical sense). people are NOT in control of their own destinies. you think everyone gets to do what they want to do?

 

[MMS]

Now what "God" would hate any of the above?

I don't want to be a stumbling block for anyone's faith.. But do got over the cliff for it.. Don't loose site with your brother over it.. I've seen people be church family for decades. But as soon as a brother or sister don't believe the same way anymore, then they're not friends anymore..

Thats bullshyt and un God like..

he aint heavy movement folks telling themselves lots of things much to their detriment

and many use scripture as a means of control rather than for wisdom and seeking a relationship with God. Most religions have fallen into this sadly because it boils down to ego and being upset if your peer not on the same page as you

I have shown that you can take an utterly logical approach to the bible and still find intensely deep wisdom let alone the clear mysticism at work.

 

[null]

We reap what we sow and that includes being complicit in modern day Babylon and it’s many vices that cause the harm, death, and destruction we see every day. YAH has absolutely nothing to do with our suffering

are uncontacted tribes "complicit in [modern day] Babylon"?

 

[ArKane24]

Recently I've started to see the bible as very good literature, interpreted by man to benefit him.. If you can make people believe that God is the reason the earth is the way it is because of his will.. You can make entire races complacent..

Then they tell you to suffer now, because God will take care of the evil ones, and you'll get your reward after you die.. Think of all the ways a race can manipulate and take advantage of that..

If you take your power and put it into the hands of a God in heaven, you'll always be at the bottom..

If you’re actually reading the Bible then You’re so close to understanding the actual truth that it’s killing me that you can’t see it. That’s church talk, that’s not what the Bible is truthfully inferring at all. You have to move with conviction based on faith in the ultimate reason behind this life, not sit still and wait.

 

[Tasha And]

It’s really all so simple. Free will is a gift that makes us like gods, in control of our own destinies, and able to shape them as we see fit. That is the gift we were given and, just like a parent, HE has instructed us in the way of peace and life. YAH has continually tried to warn us of the penalties just like a parent should to prepare you for the world outside the home, where we are accountable for own actions, not the parent. HE has already done and is still doing the most by leaving us the blueprint to spiritual freedom and the choice to choose it or spiritual enslavement. You don’t get play outside of the rules and still be blameless.

Is there free will in heaven?

 

[ArKane24]

Murderous psychopath:

but God made me
My actions are already determined because God knows all and controls all, right?
so my destiny was to be a murderous psychopath and I’m punished for that?


The counter argument before it comes up:
But but free will...


Free will can’t exist logically under “determinism” (where there is a being that knows what will happen before it happens ie: God)


Counter argument to that:

God works beyond our logic

There are choices to be made throughout our lives and choices only have so many outcomes based on the rule of Law. HE doesn’t determine our personal actions, but once you set a chain of events in motion then the rule of Law kicks in. That’s why it actually is “All on you”, your free will determines your outcome, not HIM directly. HE sees where we’re headed and left instructions as a preemptive move for us to detour. The idea that you’re born doomed because HE chose you to have that destiny is falsehood from false prophets that are leading us all closer to the brink.

The same way the Adam rejected paradise (spiritual freedom) for sin (vain things) is the same way Judah and Israel did repeatedly. The same with Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome (historical fact) and what happened. Well here we (New Babylon) are, doing the same thing today and the outcome is clear. It won’t continue forever though.

 

[ArKane24]

Is there free will in heaven?

YUP!

Edit: What is Heaven or what do you know to be Heaven?

 

[ArKane24]

are uncontacted tribes "complicit in [modern day] Babylon"?

Nope. That’s what HE means when HE says leave Babylon before we partake in her destruction. They’re free from all of the horrors that are going to come to us when this system fails. We’ve given our power over to the Matrix and when it falls we’ll be helpless because we’re out of sync with actual reality, not them.

 

[Tasha And]

YUP!

Edit: What is Heaven or what do you know to be Heaven?

So is there sin in heaven?

 

[MMS]

Seems like humanity moves like organisms.. If you want to make change, you have to create a lineage of organisms to perform a task in a unspecified amount of time.. The more organisms you can unify to perform a single task.... The more you can get done..

this is debateable

who sees humanity as organisms? the humans who make it up or the kings that set themselves?

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/40423911/

 

[ArKane24]

So is there sin in heaven?

No, because the true understanding that we’re all ONE and what hurts you, hurts me negates sin.

What is Heaven to you? What Heaven been taught to you or what do you believe it is?