If God doesn't act, is he complicit?

[TL15]

There are choices to be made throughout our lives and choices only have so many outcomes based on the rule of Law. HE doesn’t determine our personal actions, but once you set a chain of events in motion then the rule of Law kicks in. That’s why it actually is “All on you”, your free will determines your outcome, not HIM directly. HE sees where we’re headed and left instructions as a preemptive move for us to detour. The idea that you’re born doomed because HE chose you to have that destiny is falsehood from false prophets that are leading us all closer to the brink.

The same way the Adam rejected paradise (spiritual freedom) for sin (vain things) is the same way Judah and Israel did repeatedly. The same with Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome (historical fact) and what happened. Well here we (New Babylon) are, doing the same thing today and the outcome is clear. It won’t continue forever though.

so is God omnipotent in your example or not?

does he know what I’ll be doing and which of his clues/directions I’ll take or not?

 

[ArKane24]

so is God omnipotent in your example or not?

does he know what I’ll be doing and which of his clues/directions I’ll take or not?

HE is omnipotent. HE does not know exactly what choice you’ll make, but HE knows the exact amount of choices available and the probable outcomes of each choice you make because HE is also the Supreme Mathematician. HE lives through all of us and experiences our reality through us while also existing outside of us and our reality.

This is why HE is portrayed as being outside of our understanding. HE experiences the multiple outcomes of each of our choices, not just the one we make and implores us to make our next move our best move. The best move is to understand you are your brother’s keeper and it’s not right preying on others because you are one and the same as them. We are One in HIM.

Edit: I think you meant omniscient which this post applies to.

 

[ArKane24]

Not always the case. Pharaoh didn’t have free will when he refused to let the Israelites go. Saul didn’t have free will when he sought to kill David.

They absolutely both did have free will. Foreseeing based off of previous actions does not infer the lack of free will.

 

[TRUEST]

They absolutely both did have free will. Foreseeing based off of previous actions does not infer the lack of free will.

Read the Bible again

 

[BigTyme Records]

It’s all BS.

 

[ArKane24]

Read the Bible again

Maybe you should read it again and not just one translation. The Bible’s commentary is full of nuances and isn’t as cut and dry as you seem to believe.

1 Samuel 13:13-14
13“You have done a foolish thing,” Samuel said. “You have not kept the command the Lord your God gave you; if you had, he would have established your kingdom over Israel for all time. 14But now your kingdom will not endure; the Lord has sought out a man after his own heart and appointed him ruler of his people, because you have not kept the Lord’s command.”

1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance is like the wickedness of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has rejected you as king."

1 Chronicles 10:13
So Saul died for his unfaithfulness to the LORD, because he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance,

 

[TRUEST]

Maybe you should read it again and not just one translation. The Bible’s commentary is full of nuances and isn’t as cut and dry as you seem to believe.

Any interpretation of the Bible you come up with boils down to a matter of it being an opinion. What I said isn’t. It’s written clearly in the Bible. I’ll tell you again, read the Bible.

 

[ArKane24]

Any interpretation of the Bible you come up with boils down to a matter of it being an opinion. What I said isn’t. It’s written clearly in the Bible. I’ll tell you again, read the Bible.

Nah, Show me. I’m posting verses explaining why Saul turned out like he did in an edit of my reply above. Show me his absence of free will. I will address Pharaoh next.

 

[ArKane24]

Maybe you should read it again and not just one translation. The Bible’s commentary is full of nuances and isn’t as cut and dry as you seem to believe.

1 Samuel 13:13-14
13“You have done a foolish thing,” Samuel said. “You have not kept the command the Lord your God gave you; if you had, he would have established your kingdom over Israel for all time. 14But now your kingdom will not endure; the Lord has sought out a man after his own heart and appointed him ruler of his people, because you have not kept the Lord’s command.”

1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance is like the wickedness of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has rejected you as king."

1 Chronicles 10:13
So Saul died for his unfaithfulness to the LORD, because he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance,

Saul chose his own path and became livid when his honor passed to David which caused him to envy and to attempt to kill him. It was his own nature that caused him to sin and since Saul chose sin he was left to a reprobate mind.@TRUEST



Edit: On to Pharaoh

A man can only use his will within the limits of his nature. So the first point is that Pharoah being unregenerated could only make decisions within his sin nature; free will means that while man canmake any decision, he will only make the decisions that his sin nature allows him to make. (Same applies to Saul)

Exodus 7:13
Yet Pharaoh’s heart became hard and he would not listen to them, just as the Lord had said.

Exodus 7:22
But the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts, and Pharaoh’s heart became hard; he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said.

Exodus 8:15
But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said.

Exodus 8:32
But this time also Pharaoh hardened his heart and would not let the people go.

Exodus 7:1
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh’s heart is unyielding; he refuses to let the people go


Exodus 9:34
When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had stopped, he sinned again: He and his officials hardened their hearts.

Now for the verses you’re referring to

Exodus 10:1
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them



Exodus 10:27
But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he was not willing to let them go.

Exodus 14:8
The Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly.

Exodus 10:20
But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.

Now, is YAH contradicting himself in these verses? The obvious answer is no when comparing the different verses. Pharaoh hardened his own heart in pride and rebellion because he misunderstood YAH’s mercy as weakness. That’s why every time he wasn’t completely destroyed by each preceding plague his heart became harder. A man’s nature determines his choices and YAH calculated that Pharaohs nature would cause him to harden his heart. Nuance, my boy, nuance. If he just made Pharaoh free the Israelites then there would have truthfully been the absence of free will. You have to have understanding. These men were stiff-necked so YAH let them trap themselves with their own sin, they weren’t forced by any will but their own.

Your move.......

 

[ArKane24]

Double post

 

[Wildhundreds]

this is debateable

who sees humanity as organisms? the humans who make it up or the kings that set themselves?

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/40423911/

You'll have difficulty appreciating the god within if you put too much emphasis on the flesh.. As I see it, our bodies are executing tasks that represents whats within..

 

[MMS]

You'll have difficulty appreciating the god within if you put too much emphasis on the flesh.. As I see it, our bodies are executing tasks that represents whats within..

you are presenting humanity as a group not as an individual

what is within me is not necessarily what is within you (from a flesh perspective)

spirit perhaps, but there needs to be some distinction

the kingdom of heaven is "within" you meaning discreetly

but say a "nation" which when you sum up the human activity appears as though it is alive, it is not. It is not born from God but is rather an enormous zombie.

the things we do are not so straightforward to say "God made me do it" as you can see how that sounds

but more like until dawn

 

[MMS]

Saul chose his own path and became livid when his honor passed to David which caused him to envy and to attempt to kill him. It was his own nature that caused him to sin and since Saul chose sin he was left to a reprobate mind.@TRUEST



Edit: On to Pharaoh

A man can only use his will within the limits of his nature. So the first point is that Pharoah being unregenerated could only make decisions within his sin nature; free will means that while man canmake any decision, he will only make the decisions that his sin nature allows him to make. (Same applies to Saul)

Exodus 7:13
Yet Pharaoh’s heart became hard and he would not listen to them, just as the Lord had said.

Exodus 7:22
But the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts, and Pharaoh’s heart became hard; he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said.

Exodus 8:15
But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said.

Exodus 8:32
But this time also Pharaoh hardened his heart and would not let the people go.

Exodus 7:1
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh’s heart is unyielding; he refuses to let the people go


Exodus 9:34
When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had stopped, he sinned again: He and his officials hardened their hearts.

Now for the verses you’re referring to

Exodus 10:1
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them



Exodus 10:27
But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he was not willing to let them go.

Exodus 14:8
The Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly.

Exodus 10:20
But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.

Now, is YAH contradicting himself in these verses? The obvious answer is no when comparing the different verses. Pharaoh hardened his own heart in pride and rebellion because he misunderstood YAH’s mercy as weakness. That’s why every time he wasn’t completely destroyed by each preceding plague his heart became harder. A man’s nature determines his choices and YAH calculated that Pharaohs nature would cause him to harden his heart. Nuance, my boy, nuance. If he just made Pharaoh free the Israelites then there would have truthfully been the absence of free will. You have to have understanding. These men were stiff-necked so YAH let them trap themselves with their own sin, they weren’t forced by any will but their own.

Your move.......

consider this

pharaoh was utterly satisfied with claiming the enemies/slaves of egypt belonged to Apep...the deity of confusion and disorder (before Seth)

therefore his father and there fathers had already started the process of subjugation of slaves from Canaan, Nubia, Hatti (Hittites) etc

this thought process is the hardening of the heart. It can be argued that the contest between Moses and Pharaoh is not something happening all at once but over the course of Egypts history as well....

"And Moses serpent devoured those of Egypts sorcerers"

meaning the narrative had shifted from Egypts explanation...to Moses'

look around and see how many people think Re and Seth battle Apep every night is still true

because Pharaoh believed he was the living Horus (deified king) he was a prophet in his own right, so in essence:

things are happening but who is responsible? and why? this is the thought process in egypt then if you ask me

 

[MMS]

For folks that are exploring christianity (orthodoxy in particular)

I recommend reading about St John Chrysostom one of the earliest church fathers in Syria. He also responsible for many great Hymns in the Christian church at large as well.

Motivational Quotes By John Chrysostom To Feed Your Soul

 

[Wildhundreds]

you are presenting humanity as a group not as an individual

what is within me is not necessarily what is within you (from a flesh perspective)

spirit perhaps, but there needs to be some distinction

the kingdom of heaven is "within" you meaning discreetly

but say a "nation" which when you sum up the human activity appears as though it is alive, it is not. It is not born from God but is rather an enormous zombie.

the things we do are not so straightforward to say "God made me do it" as you can see how that sounds

but more like until dawn

Exactly..

Humanity is a group of free thinking individuals.. The more you can get each individual to think about the next individual, in righteousness, then humanity can begin seeing the kingdom of God.. Revisit the passage about the tower of babel, and why God confounded the languages..

Selfishness and the lusts of the flesh prevents humanity from seeing it..

I like this verse here:

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.