If God doesn't act, is he complicit?

[WetinBeDat]

No it didnt, you’re confusing all knowing with all controlling my guy, he knew Adam was gonna do it, he didn’t preset Adam with that destiny

Adam could have changed his destiny any time

You're not getting it. Ex. If he knew adam was going to be a criminal and he still chose to make him, he's sealed adam's fate. For you to suggest adam could be anything other than a criminal would be to put into question your god's omniscience.

 

[Deafheaven]

belief and spirituality IS rational thinking

unbelief is to believe you have no reason to be here at all, and therefore a nihilistic worldview

once you find yourself living in nihilism you'll find yourself in problem after problem as you are fundamentally detached emotionally and spiritually to the people and creatures you come across.

like consider a cannibal, the line he crosses is that he says in his mind...im but a beast and so are other people. Beasts have flesh so there is no difference between flesh. There is no higher reasoning other than this, which fundamentally is a projection of self belief.

To lack spiritual thinking in your beliefs is to deny yourself fundamentally

Friend, there is absolutely nothing inherently wrong about nihilism. I'm pretty nihilistic and I'm happier than a lot of people I know who stay in church weekly. Its no rhyme or reason to what you just said. I know this is all purely anecdotal but you would have to show me a study or something where someone nihilistic has a definite lower quality of life than someone religious.

 

[Chrishaune]

breh. I already said I'm not atheist. far from it actually. If there was some compelling information that God exists I would be a christian tomorrow, literally. so anything after that is just fluff from you, as per usual. You talk about death and destruction because of atheism but ignore the fukked up shyt thats happened in the name of christianity. Typical wont even admit the bible justifies the shackles we were put in for hundreds of years but want to bring up China

Ironically you're more atheist than me. I believe all gods COULD be real. You think only yours is.

The world is full of evidence. You just choose not to see it.

 

[kevm3]

breh. I already said I'm not atheist. far from it actually. If there was some compelling information that God exists I would be a christian tomorrow, literally. so anything after that is just fluff from you, as per usual. You talk about death and destruction because of atheism but ignore the fukked up shyt thats happened in the name of christianity. Typical wont even admit the bible justifies the shackles we were put in for hundreds of years but want to bring up China

Ironically you're more atheist than me. I believe all gods COULD be real. You think only yours is.

So in other words you have no idea what you believe and yet you want to criticize everyone else. Tell us your exact beliefs first and lets hold them up to scrutiny.

Deuteronomy 28 already tells why 'the real Jews' which are American blacks were put in slavery and that God Himself will bring redemption. It's not surprising why every other race gets reparative actions when something happens to them, but not American blacks. Real reparations won't be coming from man.

I could easily show you 'proof', but you'd just say nah that doesn't count. Revelations tells you the economic system that's coming 2000 years before it arrived with the mark required to participate in the economy and that is here with the chipping that's starting to go on or else you'll be shut out.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Yes. To answer your question.

God is full of love, but you better respect and reverence Him. If you play around it's detrimental to you.

He showed me just how in control He is. I can't help but respect Yahweh and His son Yeshua.

Is God everything?

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

What does God "acting" entail? Because it would just seem easier for him/her/it to have never created us. Problem solved.

It also depends on which interpretation of God you're talking about.

I dont know why its so hard to grasp for some people that the being that created everything including the concepts of creation and existence themselves may not be bound by the same morality and ideas that humans invented to make sense of the world around them. The ship of God taking care of everything(if you are coming from the Islamic or judeochristian viewpoint) sailed when we decided we were going to have free will and knowledge.

For all we know this universe and plane of existence is on his blooper reel.

 

[Deafheaven]

The world is full of evidence. You just choose not to see it.

Show me something that can only be explained by the existence of a god. you said its a world of evidence, shouldn't be hard to produce something. IDK why yall think just because we dont currently believe in religion were not open to doing so. If compelling evidence I couldn't explain away existed I'd convert immediately.

 

[MMS]

Friend, there is absolutely nothing inherently wrong about nihilism. I'm pretty nihilistic and I'm happier than a lot of people I know who stay in church weekly. Its no rhyme or reason to what you just said. I know this is all purely anecdotal but you would have to show me a study or something where someone nihilistic has a definite lower quality of life than someone religious.

what is quality of life? it can be erased in a second

just as easy as it is to live with material excess in a moment you could have no life to experience those things. When you say I'm a happy man compared to someone going to church...what is church? is church God?

Does church beat your heart, give sensation in your fingers, allow light to process in your brain, does church give you the ability to smell sweet things, to hear songs the love of women?

church does none of those things but god does all of those things to you. You experience god everyday whether you like him or dislike him. Can you offer existence to someone? I doubt it

you could give your seed to a woman, and she could abort it. She could raise the seed and keep it from you and there would be nothing you could say. You could raise the seed and he could be killed in an accident

you could live til 80 years old and have several grandchildren and still realize none of your seeds are you. And that as your breath draws to a close the very connection to god that allowed you to feel was always there even when you didnt care to acknowledge it. See belief in God is not about ritual but in understanding and of good health. You may not even realize you believe in God but you probably do...the issue for a nihilist is seeing God outside of yourself...because once you do see that you will open up a new chapter of your life that never ends

 

[Wildhundreds]

It doesn't mean I'm wrong either

this part..

People don't understand the meaning of "faith".

 

[Chrishaune]

Is God everything?

God created everything. God controls the chaos easily. God is not responsible for the chaos. That's rebellious supernatural beings' and rebellious mankind's fault.

Folks need to stop trying to blame God for our mistakes. What are you doing to stop your neighbor from getting beat by their spouse, or the kid up the street from being kidnapped into slavery, or the homeless person struggling mentally and in need? Blame God but you aren't doing .0001% of what God can do.

 

[Deafheaven]

So in other words you have no idea what you believe and yet you want to criticize everyone else. Tell us your exact beliefs first and lets hold them up to scrutiny.

Deuteronomy 28 already tells why 'the real Jews' which are American blacks were put in slavery and that God Himself will bring redemption. It's not surprising why every other race gets reparative actions when something happens to them, but not American blacks. Real reparations won't be coming from man.

I could easily show you 'proof', but you'd just say nah that doesn't count. Revelations tells you the economic system that's coming 2000 years before it arrived with the mark required to participate in the economy and that is here with the chipping that's starting to go on or else you'll be shut out.

My beliefs are simple. I'm not arrogant enough to decide whose god is real or not so I generally believe they could all exist or they all could not. I DO NOT KNOW. I only even poke holes in religion when cats try to act like its some factual doctrine when they have no proof other than their own faith. Which is perfectly fine, but ya'll never can admit is just blind faith.

I'm not atheist. I was in the past. I was also full blown christian in the past as well. If there was a religion that could explain the mystery of the afterlife and do so in a compelling way I couldn't argue away I'd convert immediately.

 

[Micky Mikey]

God created everything. God controls the chaos easily. God is not responsible for the chaos. That's rebellious supernatural beings' and rebellious mankind's fault.

Folks need to stop trying to blame God for our mistakes. What are you doing to stop your neighbor from getting beat by their spouse, or the kid up the street from being kidnapped into slavery, or the homeless person struggling mentally and in need? Blame God but you aren't doing .0001% of what God can do.

Does God have limitations?

 

[Deafheaven]

what is quality of life? it can be erased in a second

just as easy as it is to live with material excess in a moment you could have no life to experience those things. When you say I'm a happy man compared to someone going to church...what is church? is church God?

Does church beat your heart, give sensation in your fingers, allow light to process in your brain, does church give you the ability to smell sweet things, to hear songs the love of women?

church does none of those things but god does all of those things to you. You experience god everyday whether you like him or dislike him. Can you offer existence to someone? I doubt it

you could give your seed to a woman, and she could abort it. She could raise the seed and keep it from you and there would be nothing you could say. You could raise the seed and he could be killed in an accident

you could live til 80 years old and have several grandchildren and still realize none of your seeds are you. And that as your breath draws to a close the very connection to god that allowed you to feel was always there even when you didnt care to acknowledge it. See belief in God is not about ritual but in understanding and of good health. You may not even realize you believe in God but you probably do...the issue for a nihilist is seeing God outside of yourself...because once you do see that you will open up a new chapter of your life that never ends

You see what happens when you ask religious folks for some direct, factual information they go off on these fantastical hypothetical diatribes.

Is this a parody I'm not aware of?

 

[kevm3]

Show me something that can only be explained by the existence of a god. you said its a world of evidence, shouldn't be hard to produce something. IDK why yall think just because we dont currently believe in religion were not open to doing so. If compelling evidence I couldn't explain away existed I'd convert immediately.

Show me evidence of something coming from nothing. Show me a computer program with no lines of code that has produced a digital world. At that point, it wouldn't even be a computer program because there's no lines of code and nothing would be put on screen. Show me a random number generator that produces repeatable patterns that can be studied. You can't. But yet we're supposed to believe utter nothingness, chaos and randomness just exploded one day and created the laws of the universe and life. The only reason science exists is because the universe operates by LAW.

On the other hand I can show you 'computer programmers' who have essentially created worlds in their computers in which the adherents of those worlds are restricted by laws that the programmer isn't restricted by. Even a lot of scientists are starting to believe 'simulation theory'. Programming consists of words that programmers can use to create digital worlds. Why is it impossible to believe that God can do the same thing?
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[kevm3]

You see what happens when you ask religious folks for some direct, factual information they go off on these fantastical hypothetical diatribes.

Is this a parody I'm not aware of?

The parody is you won't tell us your own beliefs but you are comfortable scrutinizing the belief of others. Come, tell us, how did this world come to be?