Religion/Spirituality If God has a plan for everyone how do we have freewill?

[Fervid]

It is a choice actually. I can't prove God. I choose to believe. I could just as easily say that because I can't prove god i choose not to exist. I believe God exists. I choose that.

You choose differently. it is what it is. Again you know of the possibilities you can either choose to explore the possibility of belief or choose not to. Good luck either way.

OK.
You're convinced; I'm not. As far as it being a conscious decision to believe, or not, it looks like we'll have just agree to disagree.

 

[RAX 010]

We dont have free will
we only have the illusion of free will

 

[Brown_Pride]

OK.
You're convinced; I'm not. As far as it being a conscious decision to believe, or not, it looks like we'll have just agree to disagree.

It happens.

 

[010101]

shyt is revoltingly offensive
they have to believe that bullshyt to tolerate their god, otherwise they would be atheists too

it's not even about not believing for me

because even if I knew for a fact this individual was real I wouldn't want to maintain connections

I find this character to possess a slew of repulsive attributes

and I wouldn't be able to trust this character based on the ideals and more importantly the actions(or in certain cases lack of action) I've seen attributed to said character

if because I differ in option or desire I must be damed?¿?¿?¿well damn me for being honest and true to myself
what would I be if I sought to inflict pain upon everyone who refused my ideals or did not share my desires?¿?¿?¿

it's not adding up brehbruh+

 

[Fervid]

We dont have free will
we only have the illusion of free will

Thanks. *daps* *+rep*

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

We dont have free will
we only have the illusion of free will

False....

http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/360/1458/1309

The structure of quantum mechanics is such that, although the effect upon the observed system of the agent's choice about how to act is mathematically specified, the manner in which this choice itself is determined is not specified. This means that, in the treatment of experimental data, the choices made by human agents must be treated as freely chosen input variables, rather than as mechanical consequences of any known laws of nature. Quantum theory thereby converts science's concept of us from that of a mechanical automaton, whose conscious choices are mere cogs in a gigantic mechanical machine, to that of agents whose conscious free choices affect the physically described world in a way specified by the theory. The approximation that reduces quantum theory to classic physics completely eliminates the important element of conscious free choice.

Peer-reviewed scientific evidence that is testable proving the mechanism for 'free will' exists.
Quantum Mechanics = ​

 

[010101]

You brehs scared of elephants, lions, the government, and bees but somehow yall gonna step up to the Creator who is the reason all things exist

Step to the left with that BS

I'm aware of the ways certain animals can cause you harm and so I avoid them in most cases

I don't know much about god but from the depiction given we are not in harmony

if because of said differences god decides to track me down and forcibly subject me to whatever form of eternal torture devised what can I do

I'm just enjoying my existence the best I can

so petty
just let me have my space b
my own little slice of heaven but no your not happy unless I'm prostrated before you
why can't we just turn up together forever and ever
fukk going to church for eternity
let's hit the club
that never ending orgy

but shyt we got different ideas of a good time me and god I guess
murk nikkas for their differences*

 

[010101]

what threat is my hedonism to god?¿?¿?¿

just let me rock

putting me on the cosmic foreman grill just because you don't like the way I live
what if I went around blowing nikkas heads off just cause they don't rock how I rock

I can't figure it out
gods actions are righteous because he is most powerful not for any other reason

I'm done my head hurts-+

 

[tmonster]

False....

http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/360/1458/1309



Quantum Mechanics = ​

 

[tmonster]

it's not even about not believing for me

because even if I knew for a fact this individual was real I wouldn't want to maintain connections

I find this character to possess a slew of repulsive attributes

and I wouldn't be able to trust this character based on the ideals and more importantly the actions(or in certain cases lack of action) I've seen attributed to said character

if because I differ in option or desire I must be damed?¿?¿?¿well damn me for being honest and true to myself
what would I be if I sought to inflict pain upon everyone who refused my ideals or did not share my desires?¿?¿?¿

it's not adding up brehbruh+

yup! I said something similar earlier

no thanks I would not prostrate myself in front of a psychopath-as he has been described to me and in the bible, homey is nuts- I have morals and self respect.

 

[Mr Rager]

Assuming you believe in god, consider for the moment that you're trying to understand a concept that an omnipotent entity created and uses to govern the lives of his creations. Of course it's not going to make sense to you or anyone.

Can God be in two places at once? If you believe in an omniscient god then the answer is yes. Now try explaining how it's possible to be in two places at once, let alone ALL places at once.

This is God we're talking about...consider who you're trying to place into a human context of understanding...and then just stop

Finally someone that gets it. People are constantly seeing God from a Human perspective. That's why they can't / won't understand.

Who said the concept of "God" wasn't a human creation?

 

[Mr Rager]

You can choose to believe and have a relationship with God and go to heaven or choose not to and don't go to heaven everything else is just noise....

A false dilemma, or false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting two opposing views, options or outcomes in such a way that they seem to be the only possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false, or, more typically, if you do not accept one then the other must be accepted.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Who said the concept of "God" wasn't a human creation?

Basically anyone who believes he's not.

 

[Brown_Pride]

A false dilemma, or false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting two opposing views, options or outcomes in such a way that they seem to be the only possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false, or, more typically, if you do not accept one then the other must be accepted.

i'm not making an argument that those are the only two choices, i simply presented two choices. If there are others feel free to add them. I also did not claim that because one is then the other isn't. Or that one is right and one is wrong.

You really should look up what false dichotomy means as it does not apply here.

 

[LurkMoar]

so we are on earth to redeem ourselves from original sin and earn a place into heaven?
why did god allow sin to exist in the world in the first place?
why have this existence that's riddled with pain at all?

Not exaclty that, Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins so that we may be saved. he took our sin and was sacrifices for it and so we are no longer bound by sin but free in him. but thats the thing we can still refuse to follow God and choose to live in sin.

God allowed free will and with our free will we choose sin.

the Cause of Human pain and suffering are/is Humans themselves