Religion/Spirituality If God has a plan for everyone how do we have freewill?
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As someone sympathetic to a non-deterministic conception of free will, this isn't the best argument. I agree that it breaks from a literal view of determinism, but I don't think it carries a lot of weight beyond that, and it still doesn't give much autonomy to the agent, which I'd assume is why you'd argue libertarian free will in the first place.Quantum Mechanics says 'You're Wrong.'...........twice.......
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/360/1458/1309
You keep quotin and replying with 2 word answers...
...just wanted to make sure you saw it
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badhat said:
My argument is that there is a testable mechanism FOR 'free will' that is dependent upon the agent's 'consciousness'.
'Not much autonomy' > no autonomy.
As far as what 'consciousness' is.............
I've also had to re-evaluate my view of Materialism and am moving more towards Idealism.
'Not much autonomy' > no autonomy.
As far as what 'consciousness' is.............
I've also had to re-evaluate my view of Materialism and am moving more towards Idealism.
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Atsym Sknyfs
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You know what ... i'm gonna do this... Since I'm defending religion and god and free will and etc.. the purdon of proof is on you ..
YOU PROVE IT WRONG !!..... go, I'll wait.
2 necessary onlyYou keep quotin and replying with 2 word answers...
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Now I now whenever I go to court make sure I go on Mon-Thurs because the burden is on the Prosecution to prove i did it (and once i add reasonable doubt i'm good)... Because on Friday I have to proof I didnt do it.
Well, I was being coy with "not much autonomy", I should've just said no autonomy.My argument is that there is a testable mechanism FOR 'free will' that is dependent upon the agent's 'consciousness'.
'Not much autonomy' > no autonomy.
As far as what 'consciousness' is.............
I've also had to re-evaluate my view of Materialism and am moving more towards Idealism.
My brain state can be affected in such a way that quantum effects have real efficacy over a 100% causal determinism. But that's not shifting the burden of materialism off the brain/self/consciousness/soul/whatever. If someone is arguing to me that me being "happy" is an electron shooting down a certain ion channel, we can choose a basis state for that electron, and see that it is in fact probabilistic, but it's still working deterministically once that basis state is chosen.
And again, I don't think I'm a strict materialist myself, but I don't think that paper is the best way out of that.
what do you label yourself as? atheist? agnostic atheist?Pray for forgiveness
I consider myself a agnostic atheist I want to believe but religion just doesn't make sense.
I don't get how you can believe in the religion to be honest if you aren't against premarital sex.Pray for forgiveness
Every parent has plans for their children and will do everything possible to steer them in the direction they feel is best for them. It's up to the child whether or not to trust the parent and follow the plan.