If Internet message and Social Media was around in 94,what would be the reception to illmatic Ect.

[DANJ!]

How many of these 125 albums went platinum?
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/diction/the_top_125_hip_hop_albums_of_1994/

Matter fact, how many of 'em went GOLD?

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[wet landscapes]

Oliver Wang's commentary is superb. Should be required reading for all these "THIS IS SO CLASSIC" newbies and said album just came out 2 hours ago.

The best music in the world is usually quite simple. It's not elephants flipping and a trapeze with a guy breathing fire. It's straightforward transcendent shyt. Stuff that's beautiful and straightforward but also complex and meaningful in its own way.

Throwing everything and the kitchen sink at an album does not a classic make. When you're young, clusterfukks are cool. But when you get older, not so much.

but adults like jazz and jazz can get very clusterfukky

 

[SirBiatch]

but adults like jazz and jazz can get very clusterfukky

fair point. I don't fukk with jazz at all, but I think the argument is that jazz is more artistic and mature. All the instruments work together and do cool shyt if you tune your ear to it.

Besides, I'd argue that hip hop is minimalist by nature. Clusterfukks don't really work with great hip hop because it kills the energy. Repetition of a few, superb elements makes hip hop powerful as fukk. You start adding a million things and the record sounds poppy, overproduced and not as hard.

Just my $0.02

 

[wet landscapes]

fair point. I don't fukk with jazz at all, but I think the argument is that jazz is more artistic and mature. All the instruments work together and do cool shyt if you tune your ear to it.

Besides, I'd argue that hip hop is minimalist by nature. Clusterfukks don't really work with great hip hop because it kills the energy. Repetition of a few, superb elements makes hip hop powerful as fukk. You start adding a million things and the record sounds poppy, overproduced and not as hard.

Just my $0.02

I still like the layered jazz sound in some modern rap songs tho

 

[KravenMorehead™]

 

[Barry Sanders]

How many of these 125 albums went platinum?
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/diction/the_top_125_hip_hop_albums_of_1994/

outkast,biggie,scarface,warren g,coolio,beastie boys,method man, do you want the one's that went gold?

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

nas had the ultimate push when the source gave him 5 mics. nas had name. illmatic didnt sell in a time when everything was selling.

Yeah and nas had all those radio friendly singles too

 

[intilectual recipricol]

outkast,da brat,salt n pepa. i can name a few more who went plat. 94-95. illmatic flopped point blank. nas stans dont want to admit it.

Naughty by Nature, Meth, Red was goin gold in like a few months

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/3955747/
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/3958463/

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Yeah and nas had all those radio friendly singles too

So you agree it was a flop that people didnt give a fukk about to go out and purchase while they were buyin other shyt...

 

[mobbinfms]

outkast,biggie,scarface,warren g,coolio,beastie boys,method man, do you want the one's that went gold?

Yes.
We've established that 94% of the hip hop albums released in 1994 did NOT go platinum. Going platinum was incredibly rare. Let's see about gold now.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

So you agree it was a flop that people didnt give a fukk about to go out and purchase while they were buyin other shyt...

I think it's an album were still talking about twenty years later..

And if all else fails "well it wasn't selling a lot"

 

[mobbinfms]

Naughty by Nature, Meth, Red was goin gold in like a few months

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/3955747/
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/3958463/

The case laid out in this post

This was my original point. Ready to Die dropped in September of 1994 - so I'm talking about east coast sales a few years before September of 1994. Going back to 1991 let's say.

You attempted to dispute my claim by listing albums that were released after Ready To Die or many years before it.

Remember that Illmatic dropped in April of 1994.



Note here how I accurately analyze the sales figures of every one of your examples, before you went and pulled the numbers.



Note here that you claim Red went gold in "mere months".

The Meth and LL albums are outside the parameters of my original point - but you ignore that.

Also - you claim Wu went Plat (even though I had already acknowledged same) and you ignore my claim that it took them a long time to go Plat.



And here we have the actual numbers. Note that Tical dropped seven months after Illmatic and two months after Big.

Note that Red went Gold with his first album approximately 9 months after it released. Not the "mere months" that you claimed - but the "almost a year" that I did.

Reds se one album was released a few weeks after Tical and thus outside the parameters.

36 went Plat 1.5 years after its release. Exactly what I said. Longer than I originally thought to be honest.

Then you list LL albums from 1989 and 1990. And a single from 1995. I'll be fair and give you Mama. It was released about 3.5 years before Illmatic - but you can have it.

So - I've led you through how your numbers support my argument and how my argument is accurate. I await your acknowledgement that I'm right as well as your apology.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

The case laid out in this post

I truly dont know what he hopes to accomplish

Like we'll read this...oh wow it didn't sell a lot. I better throw illmatic out and not listen to it anymore

 

[spliz]

Why even make this thread(which I'm sure is in defense of Kendrick)?..cause u KNOW nikkas gonna say some dumb shyt and troll shyt...the time frame was different...the way people listened to music was different...what it took to make beats and make an album was different...people were breaking NEW ground still...the question really ain't simple and who knows if hip hop would even have been the same in 94 if social media was huge...that means the internet wouldve been huge and the internet single handedly fukked up appreciation for music..the speed music is recieved..how many artists u hear...how many albums..and originality....if social media was around people who shouldn't have a voice would have one..same as it is now...and Hip Hop would've prolly been done by now...cause it would've been ran to the ground way earlier...

 

[spliz]

Already did this with that fakket @mobbinfms literally everyone was going plat. This shyt went 2x particle board.

This is just pure false...everyone wasn't goin Plat in 93-94...u a few years off g...it was actually considered dope to even have a Gold album then...