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I forgot how Kobe stans have zero logic when it comes to their boy.....
If Lebron james is the best Player of His Generation, who's the 2nd Best?
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nope, Duncan was a role player surrounded by 2 hall of famers, great cast, legendary coach, great organization..
Kobe was winning titles, with a lesser cast, selling out arenas on the road, he was blockbuster, he took the NBA to new heights... being the face of the NBA is more than just winning titles, its about shifting the culture... Kobe did that, Duncan didnt.
MrWestGrand
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Willie Parker Jr.....no doubt.
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Mantis Toboggan M.D.
I’m here for the scraps
You had one number wrong (2/3 of his titles). If 43% shooting is bad, there goes 4 of the 5 rings Kobe hasI learned you're as dumb as a doornail.
Keep making self-promotional statements while your arguments are embarrassing yourself.
Textbook Dunning–Kruger effect at work here.
Seriously believes that Kobe was the best player during the 2000-2002 three-peat.
Seriously believes that Shaq honestly thought that baby Kobe was better than him.
I guess those 3 Finals MVPs by Shaq were just bad voting. Those other guys who voted for Kobe must have been pissed.
Oh, wait....
"Let me announce that I don't have answers for most of your facts and then gloat about it."
Man, that was stupid in its own right...but the fact that you were HAPPY to answer the things you did answer might be even worse.
All those posts to try to seriously argue that I really believe Kobe's prime began in 1999.
All that energy to keep insist that someone believes Kobe's prime started in a year when he averaged 19.9ppg in the regular season and 19.8 ppg in the playoffs as they were quickly swept out of the 2nd round.
Forget that my entire history of posting on the Coliseum has shown me consistently mocking Kobestans because Kobe's first supposed "three-peat" happened when Shaq was the leader and Kobe wasn't in is prime yet. For example:
You lose.
Admit it when you get trolled. Don't keep posting over and over screaming, "But you're still trolling me, you're still trolling me!"
I love how "he" sent Duncan fishing when Shaq was actually the dominant player on the team and Duncan didn't have anyone remotely on the same level as Kobe for a sidekick.
The stat line from 1999 was a completely different sentence from the one about 2003...but I'll let you take your L because you're giving up on 2003 altogether.
Best part is, Robinson didn't make all-NBA in 1999 either, so the original claim was still wrong about that year too.
That was the statement that I was responding to, and you replied to my response suggesting I was wrong.
If you wanted to take my reply out-of-context and start arguing something completely different than what I was arguing, then say so.
But as long as your reply had anything whatsoever to do with the argument at hand, I'm going to assume that your response actually deals with the argument I'm making, and isn't just a brand-new argument you decided to make up in your own head.
Actually, the exact thing I said was that he wasn't playing next to three HOF's his whole career, and I pointed out the accolades of his help in his 5 championship years to prove it. You repeatedly tried to take me down by insisting that he did have someone who averaged 16-10-2 and didn't even make the all-NBA team as if it were a rebuke. That's pretty funny, and I'll keep making fun of you for it.
Actually, the issue is that when Shaq wasn't leading the team, Kobe's teams were hardly even making the playoffs, therefore Duncan had little opportunity to beat him. Duncan played the Laker teams in 5 of the 7 Shaq years, and took 2 out of 5 of those series even though he didn't have remotely the help that Shaq did. Duncan only played Kobe in the playoffs ONCE in the other 13 years of Kobe's career (the year Ginobli got hurt and the rest of the cast was old as hell), and that's mostly because Kobe-led teams tended to wash out early. Where was Kobe in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2013, and 2014 when Duncan's teams got deep in the playoffs?
Those playoff series stats would look a lot different if Kobe had managed to pull up a crap supporting cast into a Spurs matchup like Duncan did in the other direction.
All those responses built around, "but but but Duncan's dominance shouldn't count because he's tall! Tall people need to be held to a higher standard! Let's forget about rebounds and blocks and defense and everything else and just evaluate on ppg. PPG! PPG!
And I love that you keep saying 43% is "horrible from the field", and thinking that dismisses 29-17-5-1-2.
If 43% is horrible from the field, than there goes 2/3 of Kobe's championships.
But I guess it's just this special rule of basketball that missing shots only hurts your team if you're tall.
"The second fiddle gets the credit! Please let the 2nd fiddle have the credit!"
"28-6-5-1-0 is dominant over 24-14-4-1-2 because the first stat line has a Shaq!"
Seriously, Kobestan arguments are the worst. Every time you start losing, you just begin screaming, "Shaq's rings are Kobe's! Shaq's rings are Kobe's!"
Those three Finals MVPs have to be the ugliest thing in the world for your revisionist worldview.
31-year-old Tim Duncan, at or near his career lows at that point in scoring, rebounding, FG%, and blocks, is somehow "Prime Tim Duncan" even though he was obviously a step below where he'd been for his first 8 seasons. And the team was himself, Parker, injured Ginobli and a bunch of 35+ year-old guys who were ready to retire.
You keep on going on with the argument that the "middle of Duncan's prime" stretched from 1997-2010, and don't care how stupid that looks.
Yeah, because "he aggravated the injury before the WCF; playing on injuries makes them worse", which is what the article I linked for you said, would just be too big a conspiracy.
And I guess the fact that Ginobli had been managing 20-5-3 and 2 steals on only 11 shots/game in 27 min/game during his regular season appearances against Kobe that year was just because Kobe hadn't gotten his super-special playoff defense on yet?
I was responding directly to you bragging about Kobe's head-to-head stats against Duncan going up to 2013, but then you stopped there because Kobe got an owie.
So Duncan can count as an opponent even when he's 36, but let's keep out all of Kobe's post-34 numbers because those don't look so good.
I used quotes from the EXACT SAME TIME coming from the EXACT SAME ARTICLE as you did.
Wait, you reply to my facts and numbers with a bunch of bullshyt almost completely devoid of actual information, and then have the audacity to post this on the end?
And you bragged at the beginning about how decimating your response was going to be.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Kobestan in his natural behavior.
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Godless Socialist CEO
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O, you're trolling.... Alright. I almost fell for that. Well played.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
I’m here for the scraps
The ugly pink badge on his page was a giveaway too. If more MVP awards and more finals MVP awards means he's a role player, what's that make Kobe? Shaq wasn't the supporting cast, bean was
. Selling out arenas doesn't mean shyt for how good a player you are 
. This is textbook ESPN raised mindless drivel by your typical casual sports fan.
"you're trolling" is the equivalent to when cac's say "ur using the race card" when their losing an argument
I dont consider Kobe to be in LeBron's generation. They were drafted 7 years apart. I say LeBron's generation would be from like 02-07. You got Dwayne Wade, Melo, CP3, Deron Williams, Yao Ming, Amare Stodumire, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, LaMarcus Aldridge, etc. Wade is easily the the second best player of that generation.
They were drafted 7 years apart. I say LeBron's generation would be from like 02-07. You got Dwayne Wade, Melo, CP3, Deron Williams, Yao Ming, Amare Stodumire, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, LaMarcus Aldridge, etc. Wade is easily the the second best player of that generation.
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Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Duncan won 3 titles in 5 years. With 2 finals MVPsu listen 2 too much bomani jones...
I think that if injuries hadn't stunted him Tracy Mcgrady woulda been a close second.
...and some waffle fries
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Trece
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It never devolved because it bever should have been created.. Bron soft ass didnt het his so called era until 2011.. this thread is a way for high school bron stans to feel better about his 2 our of 7