If Lebron james is the best Player of His Generation, who's the 2nd Best?

[High quality poster]

Kobe missing the playoffs in the middle of his era

Yeah, like Kobe wasn't injured that year or anything

 

[the cac mamba]

Kobe shouldn't be listed at all

 

[the cac mamba]

cant be the best of your generation with 5 finals losses

1992-1998 - Jordan Era
1999-2003 - Shaw, Duncan, Kobe
2004-2010- Kobe
2011 -2014 - LeBron
2015- Steph

i was like who the fukk is this

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobestan. It can really get unbelievable sometimes.

I mean...he loves to give these long drawn out posts to everybody else. Now that someone hit em right back, he aint got nothing to say
And @The Dankster, don't think I haven't noticed you dapping people in this thread AFTER I posted directly to you either
Im still waiting over an hour for you to respond to my response

My God, you really decided to eat an extra stupid pill after you already OD'd on the first post.

Here's the response you actually begged me for.

The trick to being stupid is keeping your mouth shut about it. Now you went out and let the whole world know. Good going. Eat your desert.

A sick run is leading your team to 3 straight NBA Finals in a row. Only 13 teams have ever accomplished this in NBA History...only Jordan, Magic and Kobe are the only players to ever do it on 2 separate occasions.

Kobestans falling over themselves to make up the stupidest fake stats possible in an argument.

Why isn't Pippen on that list? Oh, I forgot, the second-fiddle only "leads" his team to a championship when his name is Kobe.


Wait a second, why isn't Lebron on that list? Isn't he on his 6th Finals in a row right now?

Where the hell is Bill Russell? Sam Jones?

Kareem? How'd you lose track of Kareem?

Jerry West doesn't count, because 7 Finals in 11 years is somehow superior to 7 Finals in 9 years, since what matters is how they break into groups of three?

I want to throw Rodman in too, just for fun. I mean, as long as a guy putting up 15-4-4 on 37% shooting in the Finals while being 5th on his team in minutes counts, then Rodman's double three-peats have to count too, right?


I'm sure there's more you missed, but that's enough for now. What a stupid, stupid post.

And this is EXACTLY how the lying trolls contradict themselves in the same thread gentlemen

You're saying Duncan's prime was 1997-2005 because that's when he was making 1st team All-NBA.....but yet you say Kobe's prime started in 1999:

...when Kobe's prime should actually have started in 2002, according to you, because that's when Kobe first started to make 1st team All-NBA

Nah, just low-key mocking Kobestans. I like setting the bait for them to make the argument themselves that those years weren't Kobe's prime.

The three-peat did NOT happen in Kobe's prime.

Prime Shaq leads his team to a 3-peat. Prime Kobe leads his team to 3-straight years without a playoff win.

Thanks for saying it first.

So, going by All-NBA 1st teams....are you saying Kobe was only prime from 2002-2004, then 2006-2013 because that's when he was making All-NBA 1st team?

You this bad at discussions in real life, or does it just set in when you start typing on the internet?

Where in my statement did I say something as stupid as

"The definition of a players' prime is the years in which he makes 1st-team NBA."

1997-2005 is the time span when Duncan was making 1st-team All-NBA literally every year, finishing top-5 in MVP voting every year except the first, averaging 20+ points and 11+ rebounds every year and 2.5+ blocks nearly every year, going better than 23 and 11 with 2 blocks in the playoffs every year but one, clearly being the best player on the Spurs in every season and every playoff series with no doubt whatsoever and one of the 2-3 most dominant big men in the NBA with no argument whatsoever that entire time.

Saying those years were the years he was making 1st-team all-NBA was a shorthand for pointing out the clear argument that those 8 years were his prime. If I was really saying, "Every year a player makes 1st-team All-NBA is his prime", then Duncan's prime also includes 2007 and 2013.

But that would be stupid, so I didn't say it.

You should learn that rule.

Kobe won 5 Championships right through the middle of Duncan's prime: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010....and went 2 other times as well in 2004 & 2007, completing a Three-Peat and a Back 2 Back during Duncan's prime. He also directly sent Tim Duncan fishing on 4 different occasions including a stretch where he eliminated Duncan in 3 out of 4 years (from 2001-2004)

Counting Shaq championships for Kobe and then calling 2009-2010 "the middle of Duncan's prime" now. We have a raging Kobestan for sure.

Ladies, and gentlemen, Tim Duncan must be the only player in NBA history for whom the "middle of his prime" was 13 years long! I can't imagine how long Duncan's whole prime must have been.

2003: Duncan was the only all-star...but he was playing alongside an All-NBA Center that you "conveniently" left out thinking I wouldn't check the facts on you

David Robinson averaged 8ppg in 2003 and retired at the end of the season. All-NBA my ass. If you thought David Robinson was all-NBA in 2003, it proves that you are

a) Completely ignorant of David Robinson's career
b) Obviously had no clue what was going on in the NBA in 2003
c) Can't read a player profile

Ladies and gentlemen, your average Kobestan. I'm willing to bet this guy was about 12 years old and living in LA when David Robinson retired, and only knew non-Kobe players by their Nike ads and Sportscenter highlights.

David Robinson made the All-NBA Team in 1998, 2000, and 2001. You putting "Duncan was the only All-NBA" in 1999 as if that should throw us off is


Robinson still up 16 ppg, 10 rebs, 2.4 blks, 1.4 stls, on 51% FG in 1999...which is better production than most Centers today.

Wait, you got Robinson's all-NBA years both right and wrong in the very same post?

And the claim was "Duncan played with 3 HOFers his entire career."

Now you've been reduced to pleading, "But Robinson was an above average center in 1999! He averaged 16 and 10!"

You want to take it a step further? The 3rd-leading scorer on that Spurs 1999 Championship team was ready-to-retire Sean Elliott. A brilliant 11 and 4 on 41% shooting. That was the Spurs 3rd option.

"3 HOFers" my ass.

False.


In the 82 career games between the 2 of em (counting regular season + playoffs), Duncan has scored 30 or more only 10 times including hitting 40 or more only 1x......Kobe has scored 30 or more on 21 different occasions, including 5 games with 40 or more

And Kobe lost the majority of those 82 games, right? Yep, sure spent his whole career killing them.

Of course, for you the measure of whether someone is "killing" the other team is scoring totals with no other information. Rebounds, blocks, overall defense on both ends, who had a bigger impact on which team won the game - that doesn't matter, all that matters is scoring! Ladies and gentlemen, looks like we have a Kobestan here!

Kobe averaged 28 ppg, 6 rebs, 5 assts, and 1.4 stls on 47% FG and 35% 3pt while Duncan at 25 ppg, 14 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl, and 2 blocks a game on 47% FG.

Really sounds like Kobe "dominated" Duncan to me.

But you're doing the same thing down below by attempting to leave out the playoff records

I didn't "leave it out", it was right there in the quote above my response. If I already was quoting their playoff record, why would I repeat it again? I was saying the stuff he left out, not repeating stuff he already said.

Just leave out that Kobe is 18-12 against Duncan in the playoffs - which covers their whole careers

But it didn't "cover their whole careers". They played against each other in 5 of the 7 years that Shaq was leading the Lakers, and then one year when Kobe got Gasol and the Spurs' core aged out plus Ginobli was hurt. That isn't a very good sample. It leaves out most of the years that Duncan's teams would have crushed Kobe's teams, and only leaves out a couple years where Kobe's teams would have beat Duncan. (Which is why the regular season record is so much heavier in Duncan's favor.)

Secondly, what do you mean "If he was such a Spurs-killer, then he should have been able to stop them a few more times"?

They only matched up in 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, & 2008

Because Kobe's teams sucked and he was getting destroyed in the regular season by the Spurs and everyone else in most of those other years.

What does this mean though?


These 5 years you just listed, he only went through Kobe in 1999 and 2003....so what do the other years matter? Kobe won more Championships during Duncan's prime than vice versa AND sent Duncan home over and over again in the process...you cant say the same vice versa

Damn, you just keep making your arguments for me. I LOVE YOU MAN!

Explicitly point out for me that in the Spurs' best years, the Lakers were generally so bad that most of the time the Spurs never even got to face them...


And remember, ladies and gentlemen, Kobestan is once more basing this argument on his assertion that Duncan's prime lasted until at least 2010, but Kobe's prime didn't start until 2002.

Duncan didn't "ball out" being 7 feet and shooting only 42% from the field in that series

Some of the shooting lines Duncan put up in the series:

6-14 from the field
10-26 from the field
7-19 from the field

Actually, Duncan averaged 22-17-5-1-2 on 43% shooting when everyone on the team but him and Parker were trash. Yeah, he balled out.

And remember, here were four of five stat lines Duncan put up in that series going head-to-head with the Lakers' best all-around player:

30-18-2-2-4
22-21-5
29-17-3-3-3
19-15-10

But the important thing is that Kobestan has now started arguing shooting percentages as a disqualifier.

There goes 2/3 of Kobe's Finals.

Parker should've feasted? He averaged 19 ppg and shot 48% from the field in that series and played better offensively over the last 3 games of the series than Duncan did

Reading comprehension again?

I said that Parker should have feasted against Derek Fisher, BUT HE LAID AN EGG THE FIRST TWO GAMES. He averaged 15-5-5 on 40% shooting those two games against Derek Fisher's defense when he was literally the only offensive threat on the team other than Duncan. That's not good enough.

Ginobili had a bad series because Kobe locked him down

Yep, let's just pretend that Ginobli didn't have a ligament that swelled to five times its normal size so that he wore a walking boot for weeks after the series and needed surgery afterwards. Nope, just didn't happen in Kobestan. It was Kobe's epic defense that injured Ginboli's ligament

Facts: Kobe's Lakers (Kobe only All-NBA player on roster that season) beat the Spurs 4-1 with Duncan and Ginobili (both All-NBA that season) in the starting lineup with Kobe closing them out in Game 5 with 39 points on 16-30 shooting...including 17 points in the 4th quarter

Yep, keep on ignoring that Ginobli was injured and act like 36-year-old Bowen (retiring after the season) wasn't the only guy left to guard Kobe. Nope, Ginobli wasn't a badly injured player struggling to 13-3-2 on 36% shooting for the series, he was his all-NBA regular season self!

Kobe with Shaq on the team vs. Spurs averaged 24.5 ppg over 23 regular season matchups and 28.0 ppg over 25 playoff games. Went 3-2 against Duncan in the playoffs.

Kobe WITHOUT Shaq (up until he tore his Achilles) vs Spurs averaged 25.1 ppg over 24 regular season matchups and 29.2 ppg over 5 playoff games. Also went 1-0 against Duncan in the playoffs.

Once again, who cares about the other numbers, lets go to ppg and nothing else! Carmelo Anthony for 2013 MVP! Iverson was the greatest!

We've already covered the context of that ONE playoff matchup where Kobe, not Shaq, was the one leading the Lakers. The 3rd-best player on the Spurs got hurt and the entire rest of the roster outside of Parker were literally ready to retire.

And now we're also special-counting years. Duncan continues to count even when he's 36, but Kobe stops counting after he got an owie. Wait, weren't Kobestans still claiming that he was one of the best players in the league in 2015? But apparently no version of Kobe over 33 years old was good enough to count like 36-year-old Duncan counts. Ouch.

Dang it man, I LOVE how you keep making my arguments for me.

Some quotes of Lakers talking about Kobe finally becoming an all-around player blah blah blah

Yeah, your little quotes leave out that they're literally talking about his play over the last 19 games. Let's take a few other select quotes from your link:

Just a couple of months ago, there were serious doubts whether Bryant would ever accept such a role. All season, he seemed intent on jacking up shots, winning the scoring title and ticking off Shaquille O'Neal.

Back in March, when Jackson was asked whether he could ever get through to Bryant, his response was telling: "Only if he wants to be coached," he said.

"It's amazing the transformation he went through," L.A.'s Robert Horry said. "When he came back and started playing again, Kobe started to get everybody involved. He still picked his spots to get his shots off. But he started penetrating to get somebody else a shot. He wouldn't really do it in the past. Before, he was looking more to score. Now, he's getting the ball to everybody."

Or the last sentence, which doesn't look good for you:

Now it's your turn, Eric, to see what you can do with No. 8. Hey, it could be worse.

You could be trying to stop Shaq.

Oh yeah, even your Kobestan fan-bait ESPN article can't help and point out that Shaq is still the main dominant threat on the team.

 

[MoneyBags]

cant be the best of your generation with 5 finals losses

1992-1998 - Jordan Era
1999-2003 - Shaw, Duncan, Kobe
2004-2010- Kobe
2011 -2014 - LeBron
2015- Steph

Jordan era began in 91, they won title for 90-91 season

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Kobestan. It can really get unbelievable sometimes.







My God, you really decided to eat an extra stupid pill after you already OD'd on the first post.

Here's the response you actually begged me for.

The trick to being stupid is keeping your mouth shut about it. Now you went out and let the whole world know. Good going. Eat your desert.






Kobestans falling over themselves to make up the stupidest fake stats possible in an argument.

Why isn't Pippen on that list? Oh, I forgot, the second-fiddle only "leads" his team to a championship when his name is Kobe.


Wait a second, why isn't Lebron on that list? Isn't he on his 6th Finals in a row right now?

Where the hell is Bill Russell? Sam Jones?

Kareem? How'd you lose track of Kareem?

Jerry West doesn't count, because 7 Finals in 11 years is somehow superior to 7 Finals in 9 years, since what matters is how they break into groups of three?

I want to throw Rodman in too, just for fun. I mean, as long as a guy putting up 15-4-4 on 37% shooting in the Finals while being 5th on his team in minutes counts, then Rodman's double three-peats have to count too, right?


I'm sure there's more you missed, but that's enough for now. What a stupid, stupid post.





Nah, just low-key mocking Kobestans. I like setting the bait for them to make the argument themselves that those years weren't Kobe's prime.

The three-peat did NOT happen in Kobe's prime.

Prime Shaq leads his team to a 3-peat. Prime Kobe leads his team to 3-straight years without a playoff win.

Thanks for saying it first.








You this bad at discussions in real life, or does it just set in when you start typing on the internet?

Where in my statement did I say something as stupid as

"The definition of a players' prime is the years in which he makes 1st-team NBA."

1997-2005 is the time span when Duncan was making 1st-team All-NBA literally every year, finishing top-5 in MVP voting every year except the first, averaging 20+ points and 11+ rebounds every year and 2.5+ blocks nearly every year, going better than 23 and 11 with 2 blocks in the playoffs every year but one, clearly being the best player on the Spurs in every season and every playoff series with no doubt whatsoever and one of the 2-3 most dominant big men in the NBA with no argument whatsoever that entire time.

Saying those years were the years he was making 1st-team all-NBA was a shorthand for pointing out the clear argument that those 8 years were his prime. If I was really saying, "Every year a player makes 1st-team All-NBA is his prime", then Duncan's prime also includes 2007 and 2013.

But that would be stupid, so I didn't say it.

You should learn that rule.






Counting Shaq championships for Kobe and then calling 2009-2010 "the middle of Duncan's prime" now. We have a raging Kobestan for sure.

Ladies, and gentlemen, Tim Duncan must be the only player in NBA history for whom the "middle of his prime" was 13 years long! I can't imagine how long Duncan's whole prime must have been.






David Robinson averaged 8ppg in 2003 and retired at the end of the season. All-NBA my ass. If you thought David Robinson was all-NBA in 2003, it proves that you are

a) Completely ignorant of David Robinson's career
b) Obviously had no clue what was going on in the NBA in 2003
c) Can't read a player profile

Ladies and gentlemen, your average Kobestan. I'm willing to bet this guy was about 12 years old and living in LA when David Robinson retired, and only knew non-Kobe players by their Nike ads and Sportscenter highlights.






Wait, you got Robinson's all-NBA years both right and wrong in the very same post?

And the claim was "Duncan played with 3 HOFers his entire career."

Now you've been reduced to pleading, "But Robinson was an above average center in 1999! He averaged 16 and 10!"

You want to take it a step further? The 3rd-leading scorer on that Spurs 1999 Championship team was ready-to-retire Sean Elliott. A brilliant 11 and 4 on 41% shooting. That was the Spurs 3rd option.

"3 HOFers" my ass.






And Kobe lost the majority of those 82 games, right? Yep, sure spent his whole career killing them.

Of course, for you the measure of whether someone is "killing" the other team is scoring totals with no other information. Rebounds, blocks, overall defense on both ends, who had a bigger impact on which team won the game - that doesn't matter, all that matters is scoring! Ladies and gentlemen, looks like we have a Kobestan here!






Really sounds like Kobe "dominated" Duncan to me.




I didn't "leave it out", it was right there in the quote above my response. If I already was quoting their playoff record, why would I repeat it again? I was saying the stuff he left out, not repeating stuff he already said.






But it didn't "cover their whole careers". They played against each other in 5 of the 7 years that Shaq was leading the Lakers, and then one year when Kobe got Gasol and the Spurs' core aged out plus Ginobli was hurt. That isn't a very good sample. It leaves out most of the years that Duncan's teams would have crushed Kobe's teams, and only leaves out a couple years where Kobe's teams would have beat Duncan. (Which is why the regular season record is so much heavier in Duncan's favor.)






Because Kobe's teams sucked and he was getting destroyed in the regular season by the Spurs and everyone else in most of those other years.






Damn, you just keep making your arguments for me. I LOVE YOU MAN!

Explicitly point out for me that in the Spurs' best years, the Lakers were generally so bad that most of the time the Spurs never even got to face them...


And remember, ladies and gentlemen, Kobestan is once more basing this argument on his assertion that Duncan's prime lasted until at least 2010, but Kobe's prime didn't start until 2002.






Actually, Duncan averaged 22-17-5-1-2 on 43% shooting when everyone on the team but him and Parker were trash. Yeah, he balled out.

And remember, here were four of five stat lines Duncan put up in that series going head-to-head with the Lakers' best all-around player:

30-18-2-2-4
22-21-5
29-17-3-3-3
19-15-10

But the important thing is that Kobestan has now started arguing shooting percentages as a disqualifier.

There goes 2/3 of Kobe's Finals.







Reading comprehension again?

I said that Parker should have feasted against Derek Fisher, BUT HE LAID AN EGG THE FIRST TWO GAMES. He averaged 15-5-5 on 40% shooting those two games against Derek Fisher's defense when he was literally the only offensive threat on the team other than Duncan. That's not good enough.






Yep, let's just pretend that Ginobli didn't have a ligament that swelled to five times its normal size so that he wore a walking boot for weeks after the series and needed surgery afterwards. Nope, just didn't happen in Kobestan. It was Kobe's epic defense that injured Ginboli's ligament






Yep, keep on ignoring that Ginobli was injured and act like 36-year-old Bowen (retiring after the season) wasn't the only guy left to guard Kobe. Nope, Ginobli wasn't a badly injured player struggling to 13-3-2 on 36% shooting for the series, he was his all-NBA regular season self!







Once again, who cares about the other numbers, lets go to ppg and nothing else! Carmelo Anthony for 2013 MVP! Iverson was the greatest!

We've already covered the context of that ONE playoff matchup where Kobe, not Shaq, was the one leading the Lakers. The 3rd-best player on the Spurs got hurt and the entire rest of the roster outside of Parker were literally ready to retire.

And now we're also special-counting years. Duncan continues to count even when he's 36, but Kobe stops counting after he got an owie. Wait, weren't Kobestans still claiming that he was one of the best players in the league in 2015? But apparently no version of Kobe over 33 years old was good enough to count like 36-year-old Duncan counts. Ouch.

Dang it man, I LOVE how you keep making my arguments for me.






Yeah, your little quotes leave out that they're literally talking about his play over the last 19 games. Let's take a few other select quotes from your link:





Or the last sentence, which doesn't look good for you:



Oh yeah, even your Kobestan fan-bait ESPN article can't help and point out that Shaq is still the main dominant threat on the team.

Holy shyt this was vicious. How many of them did you destroy this time ?

 

[SwagKingKong]

lmao at kobe being the best at any point of his career

kg and duncan were clearly better throughout their careers and not to mention when lebron came through and crushed the buildings

 

[Newzz]

Kobestan. It can really get unbelievable sometimes.







My God, you really decided to eat an extra stupid pill after you already OD'd on the first post.

Here's the response you actually begged me for.

The trick to being stupid is keeping your mouth shut about it. Now you went out and let the whole world know. Good going. Eat your desert.

You obviously don't know much about @Newzz....you gon learn today "dankster"

Kobestans falling over themselves to make up the stupidest fake stats possible in an argument.

Why isn't Pippen on that list? Oh, I forgot, the second-fiddle only "leads" his team to a championship when his name is Kobe.

When they are called the best player in the NBA.......by the guy you claim was the best player on the team.


Shaq himself said Kobe was better during their 3 peat, when was Pippen ever called the best player in the NBA during a 3 peat?


You also pick and chose which questions you answered....so allow me to do the same

Nah, just low-key mocking Kobestans. I like setting the bait...

Take your L gracefully


You weren't mocking anybody. You tried to make a point...it blew up on you, and now you're trying to save face


You said Kobe was in his prime from 20-28...that's the 1999-2007 season fool

You this bad at discussions in real life, or does it just set in when you start typing on the internet?

Where in my statement did I say something as stupid as

"The definition of a players' prime is the years in which he makes 1st-team NBA."

1997-2005 is the time span when Duncan was making 1st-team All-NBA literally every year, finishing top-5 in MVP voting every year except the first, averaging 20+ points and 11+ rebounds every year and 2.5+ blocks nearly every year, going better than 23 and 11 with 2 blocks in the playoffs every year but one, clearly being the best player on the Spurs in every season and every playoff series with no doubt whatsoever and one of the 2-3 most dominant big men in the NBA with no argument whatsoever that entire time.

Saying those years were the years he was making 1st-team all-NBA was a shorthand for pointing out the clear argument that those 8 years were his prime. If I was really saying, "Every year a player makes 1st-team All-NBA is his prime", then Duncan's prime also includes 2007 and 2013.

But that would be stupid, so I didn't say it.

You should learn that rule.

What you said was Kobe was in his prime from 1999-2007. We all read it. I quoted it.


Quit trying to spin your way out of it

Counting Shaq championships for Kobe and then calling 2009-2010 "the middle of Duncan's prime" now. We have a raging Kobestan for sure.

Ladies, and gentlemen, Tim Duncan must be the only player in NBA history for whom the "middle of his prime" was 13 years long! I can't imagine how long Duncan's whole prime must have been.

But yet you say Duncan won Championships during the middle of Kobe's prime and listed 1999...but then above you claim that you were "lowkey mocking"?


Which one is it?


You keep listing Kobe's prime as starting in 1999...but yet when called out on, you back down and try to spin away



And also, you didn't address the damning point that: He also directly sent Tim Duncan fishing on 4 different occasions including a stretch where he eliminated Duncan in 3 out of 4 years (from 2001-2004)



You think I cant easily see you picking & choosing what you are responding too in order to try and save face and not look foolish?

David Robinson averaged 8ppg in 2003 and retired at the end of the season. All-NBA my ass. If you thought David Robinson was all-NBA in 2003, it proves that you are

a) Completely ignorant of David Robinson's career
b) Obviously had no clue what was going on in the NBA in 2003
c) Can't read a player profile

I posted the wrong year on accident


I meant to put 1999, which is why I used the stat line from 1999....put 2 & 2 together.

Ladies and gentlemen, your average Kobestan. I'm willing to bet this guy was about 12 years old and living in LA when David Robinson retired, and only knew non-Kobe players by their Nike ads and Sportscenter highlights.

I was posting on sohh.com during the NBA playoffs at that time and was the same age Kobe was when you claim his prime began

Wait, you got Robinson's all-NBA years both right and wrong in the very same post?

I meant to put 1999. That's your proof it was a mistake.

And the claim was "Duncan played with 3 HOFers his entire career."

Did I say this?

You attributing quotes from others to me?

Receipts where I said this?

Now you've been reduced to pleading, "But Robinson was an above average center in 1999! He averaged 16 and 10!"

Tim Duncan played next to an All-NBA Center in 3 of his first 5 years in the NBA. He made the All-NBA team in 98, 2000, and 2001. You want to act as if he was done in 1999, but he put up 16-10-2 on 51% from the field that year, and then went on to 2 more All-NBA years the following 2 seasons.

You want to take it a step further? The 3rd-leading scorer on that Spurs 1999 Championship team was ready-to-retire Sean Elliott. A brilliant 11 and 4 on 41% shooting. That was the Spurs 3rd option.

"3 HOFers" my ass.

Tag the person you're referring too


Strawman arguments don't work with me

And Kobe lost the majority of those 82 games, right? Yep, sure spent his whole career killing them.

Duncan won more meaningless games, Kobe won more games when they mattered....in the playoffs

Of course, for you the measure of whether someone is "killing" the other team is scoring totals with no other information. Rebounds, blocks, overall defense on both ends, who had a bigger impact on which team won the game - that doesn't matter, all that matters is scoring! Ladies and gentlemen, looks like we have a Kobestan here!

Ask to compare blocks and rebounds of a 7'0 foot PF in comparison to a 6'6 SG brehs


Who had a bigger impact on who won the game? Obviously it would be Kobe fool....he actually won when it mattered


And the post you quoted was my response to you saying Kobe never straight up killed San Antonio. What does how many rebounds or block he had matter when we are talking of someone killing another team?


The fact that Kobe scored 30+ in 21 (26%) of the 82 games he played against Duncan, including hitting for 40+ on 5 different occasions, while Duncan only hit 30 or more in only 10 (12%) of the 82 games is the definition of killing someone else.


"Bu-bu-but, how many rebounds & blocks did Kobe have in comparison to Duncan?"


The fact that you would ask such a nonsensical question let's me know you scrambling for a response

Really sounds like Kobe "dominated" Duncan to me.

He sure did dominate him.


Averaging 28, 6, 5 and winning 4 out of 6 playoff matchups >>> Duncan 25, 14, 2 and losing 4 out of 6 matchups.

But it didn't "cover their whole careers". They played against each other in 5 of the 7 years that Shaq was leading the Lakers, and then one year when Kobe got Gasol and the Spurs' core aged out plus Ginobli was hurt. That isn't a very good sample. It leaves out most of the years that Duncan's teams would have crushed Kobe's teams, and only leaves out a couple years where Kobe's teams would have beat Duncan. (Which is why the regular season record is so much heavier in Duncan's favor.)

It doesn't "leave out" anything, because you cant go by playoff matchups which never happened when we are discussing facts.


They met 6 times in the playoffs.

Kobe's team won 4x. Duncan's team won 2x.



The end.

Because Kobe's teams sucked and he was getting destroyed in the regular season by the Spurs and everyone else in most of those other years.

But when they met up...what happened?


Kobe won 2x as many as he lost....while Duncan lost 2x as many as he won

Damn, I you just keep making your arguments for me. I LOVE YOU MAN!

Explicitly point out for me that in the Spurs' best years, the Lakers were generally so bad that most of the time the Spurs never even got to face them...


And remember, ladies and gentlemen, Kobestan is once more basing this argument on his assertion that Duncan's prime lasted until at least 2010, but Kobe's prime didn't start until 2002.

2008 playoffs against a Prime Tim Duncan led Spurs team?


Kobe destroyed the Spurs and outplayed Duncan

Actually, Duncan averaged 22-17-5-1-2 on 43% shooting when everyone on the team but him and Parker were trash. Yeah, he balled out.

And remember, here were four of five stat lines Duncan put up in that series going head-to-head with the Lakers' best all-around player:

30-18-2-2-4
22-21-5
29-17-3-3-3
19-15-10

He's 7 feet and shot horrible from the field. Since when is it okay to shoot 42% from the field as a 7 footer and then say "balled out" when he was the biggest man on the court?


And remember, here are Duncan's shooting lines in that series going head to head with the Lakers worst low post defender:


6-14 from the field
10-26 from the field
7-19 from the field

Reading comprehension again?

I said that Parker should have feasted against Derek Fisher, BUT HE LAID AN EGG THE FIRST TWO GAMES. He averaged 15-5-5 on 40% shooting those two games against Derek Fisher defense when he was literally the only offensive threat on the team other than Duncan. That's not good enough.

Parker had MORE good offensive games than bad in the series...Duncan was the one who struggled offensively in 3 of the 5 games playing against a guy who isn't a good low post defender


You trying to excuse it, bringing up rebounds, as if the Spurs had anyone else able to rebound effectively in 2008. Somebody had to get the boards for them, why not be the biggest guy on the court?

Yep, let's just pretend that Ginobli didn't have a ligament that swelled to five times its normal size so that he wore a walking boot for weeks after the series and needed surgery afterwards. Nope, just didn't happen in Kobestan. It was Kobe's epic defense that injured Ginboli's ligament






Yep, keep on ignoring that Ginobli was injured and act like 36-year-old Bowen (retiring after the season) wasn't the only guy left to guard Kobe. Nope, Ginobli wasn't a badly injured playing averaging 13-3-2 on 36% shooting for the series, he was his all-NBA regular season self!

Excuses



So, when he was averaging 18 ppg and shooting 45% FG & 35% 3pt against the Suns in the 1st round and 21 ppg on 44% FG & 39% 3pt against the Hornets in the 2nd round...it was cool. All of a sudden, his numbers dropped to 13 ppg on 36% FG and it was "bu-bu-but, he was injured"


Why wasn't he putting up 13 ppg on 36% in the first 2 series then?


Why did his numbers drop so bad against the Lakers, but he was injured all playoffs?


Exactly



Kobe shut him down

Once again, who cares about the other numbers, lets go to ppg and nothing else! James Harden for MVP! Iverson was the greatest!

We've already covered the context of that ONE playoff matchup where Kobe, not Shaq, was the one leading the Lakers. The 3rd-best player on the Spurs got hurt and the entire rest of the roster outside of Parker were literally ready to retire.

Which is false.

Kobe dominated a Spurs team who won 1 less game than the Lakers that year, who also had 2 All-NBA Team members in the starting lineup, outplayed Duncan in the series, and locked down Ginobili.

And now we're also special-counting years. Duncan continues to count even when he's 36, but Kobe stops counting after the age of 34, because he got an owie.

What numbers have I posted from Duncan at 36?


Only numbers I've posted from him was from as late as 32 years old....when he got dominated by a Kobe-led Lakers in the WCF


Quit making up statements & quotes that haven't been talked about in here to try and save face

Wait, weren't Kobestans still claiming that he was one of the best players in the league in 2015? But apparently no version of 2013+ Kobe was good enough to count like 36-year-old Duncan counts. Ouch.

Dang it man, I LOVE how you keep making my arguments for me.

Receipts from me saying this?


Right, aint none


This, ladies & gentlemen, is what it looks like when you have nothing to say....you start saying what "bu-bu-but they said"


If I didn't say it, don't address me with it. Now, take this L

Yeah, your little quotes leave out that they're literally talking about his play over less than 20 games. Let's take a few other select quotes from your link:





Or the last sentence, which doesn't look good for you:



Oh yeah, even your Kobestan fan-bait ESPN article can't help and point out that Shaq is still the main dominant threat on the team.

You're using quotes that they said BEFORE the playoffs began....Im using quotes they said AFTER the games happened and the truth came to light





Too easy here. You type a lot, but after breaking down your posts, it's all fluff, moving goal posts, and strawman arguments


At least you tried though





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[Versa]

Tim Duncan and LeBron James aren't the same generation brehs

LeBron's generation = Durant, Melo, Wade, CP3, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard....

 

[Rigby.]

Nikka you are 17 fall back and STFU

worship a fraud brehs
Kobe the Hov of the NBA
Every year watching somebody better get an actual award that quantifies you Kobe Stans' BS claims
Give Steve Nash Shaq since the beginning of his career and he'd have more rings too

 

[Rigby.]

Damn weird ass @Newzz writing fukkin dissertations and shyt

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Tim Duncan and LeBron James aren't the same generation brehs

LeBron's generation = Durant, Melo, Wade, CP3, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard....

Curry?

 

[Newzz]

Damn weird ass @Newzz writing fukkin dissertations and shyt

Lil nikka, you still gotta be in the house when the street lights come on...go sit your young ass down at the kids table while grown men talking

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

LeBron has been the best player since like 2007. probably earlier than that.

as for his generation, its a tossup. melo, wade & Durant. and derrick rose would've been up there too.

curry represents a different era, but its still the same generation. well, yall can decide if he counts.

 

[JarrodG]

Bron been the best player since 2007. So it is probably Wade