THERE WAS NEVER A LEBRON ERA .. WE WENT FROM KOBE TO STEPH. LEBRON IS KNOWN MORE FOR LOSING THAN WINNING.
If Lebron james is the best Player of His Generation, who's the 2nd Best?
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The same kobe that wasn't shyt without gasol ?You dont get to say Lebron has been the best player in the league since 2007 when Kobe Bryant was alive on planet earth during that time and took his team to three straight NBA Finals and won two back to back championships from 2008-2010. He also won MVP and led team USA to gold after Bron led them to Bronze in 2004 and 2006.
So get the fukk out of there with this bullshyt.. this isnt even stanning this is a common fact.. i dont know what kind of a stan you are (lebron or duncan) but you are just straight up lying.
Most NBA players including Lebrons side piece and best friend Wade has even said Kobe is the best player of his generation.
Lebron best player reign has been from 2011-2015 thats it... and i being nice about 2011 considering he played like the biggest fakkit in sports history against the Mavs in 2011.
The same kobe that needed 7 games against a rockets team without tmac yao and mutumbo in 09?
The same kobe that needed gasol to putback his brick to avoid game 7 vs an 8th seeded thunder in 2010?
That needed artest to putback his airball at the buzzer to avoid going down 3-2 to phoenix?
And for him to hit the dagger 3 in game 7 of the finals to avoid 6-24 going down in infamy?
It's either Durant or Wade. Wade has got the most chips of anyone drafted after 2003 along with the individual accolades. The only thing he doesn't have is an MVP award to his name. KD has that plus the scoring titles he's just missing the title to top it off. So to me it's got to be one of them if you don't consider Kobe or Duncan in Bron's era. And that's hard not to include them considering they played well over a decade against one another.
Why are people even talking about Kobe, dude is retired and lebron still in (the latter part) of his prime. Clearly two different eras. Kobe's peers are people like iverson, tmac, Garnett etc
Lebrons peers are people like Cp3, Dwight, Wade and Melo,
Obviously the answer is Wade.
Lebrons peers are people like Cp3, Dwight, Wade and Melo,
Obviously the answer is Wade.
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Having Kobe by himself is so stupid when Duncan was still playing at an extremely high level, and winning titles. BTW it's not even a debate... It's Wade, by a wide margin.
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Shaq was better in 03, Kobe was better than duncan since 2003 ish
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To answer the question
It's Wade then Chris Paul and then Carmelo...
then Dwight (if he stayed with Orlando he could've been an alltime great)
It's Wade then Chris Paul and then Carmelo...
then Dwight (if he stayed with Orlando he could've been an alltime great
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Lebron has had the better career tim duncan hasn't been the man since 2004
By Lebrons 2nd year he was already out performing Timmy
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Kobe stan IQ showing strong here, Bron easily better than Kobe in 09 and 10.You dont get to say Lebron has been the best player in the league since 2007 when Kobe Bryant was alive on planet earth during that time and took his team to three straight NBA Finals and won two back to back championships from 2008-2010. He also won MVP and led team USA to gold after Bron led them to Bronze in 2004 and 2006.
So get the fukk out of there with this bullshyt.. this isnt even stanning this is a common fact.. i dont know what kind of a stan you are (lebron or duncan) but you are just straight up lying.
Most NBA players including Lebrons side piece and best friend Wade has even said Kobe is the best player of his generation.
Lebron best player reign has been from 2011-2015 thats it... and i being nice about 2011 considering he played like the biggest fakkit in sports history against the Mavs in 2011.
Dwade, Duncan, and Pierce won titles from 06-08 they better than Kobe in those years too?
You obviously don't know much about @Newzz....you gon learn today "dankster"
I learned you're as dumb as a doornail.
Keep making self-promotional statements while your arguments are embarrassing yourself.
Textbook Dunning–Kruger effect at work here.
When they are called the best player in the NBA.......by the guy you claim was the best player on the team.
Shaq himself said Kobe was better during their 3 peat, when was Pippen ever called the best player in the NBA during a 3 peat?
Seriously believes that Kobe was the best player during the 2000-2002 three-peat.
Seriously believes that Shaq honestly thought that baby Kobe was better than him.
I guess those 3 Finals MVPs by Shaq were just bad voting. Those other guys who voted for Kobe must have been pissed.
Oh, wait....
You also pick and chose which questions you answered....so allow me to do the same
"Let me announce that I don't have answers for most of your facts and then gloat about it."
Man, that was stupid in its own right...but the fact that you were HAPPY to answer the things you did answer might be even worse.
Take your L gracefully
You weren't mocking anybody. You tried to make a point...it blew up on you, and now you're trying to save face
You said Kobe was in his prime from 20-28...that's the 1999-2007 season fool
What you said was Kobe was in his prime from 1999-2007. We all read it. I quoted it.
Quit trying to spin your way out of it
But yet you say Duncan won Championships during the middle of Kobe's prime and listed 1999...but then above you claim that you were "lowkey mocking"?
Which one is it?
You keep listing Kobe's prime as starting in 1999...but yet when called out on, you back down and try to spin away
All those posts to try to seriously argue that I really believe Kobe's prime began in 1999.
All that energy to keep insist that someone believes Kobe's prime started in a year when he averaged 19.9ppg in the regular season and 19.8 ppg in the playoffs as they were quickly swept out of the 2nd round.
Forget that my entire history of posting on the Coliseum has shown me consistently mocking Kobestans because Kobe's first supposed "three-peat" happened when Shaq was the leader and Kobe wasn't in is prime yet. For example:
When was "Kobe's prime" in which he was "dominating" Duncan?
Do you count "Kobe's prime" as age 20-23 when he wasn't even the best player on his own team?
You lose.
Admit it when you get trolled. Don't keep posting over and over screaming, "But you're still trolling me, you're still trolling me!"
I love how "he" sent Duncan fishing when Shaq was actually the dominant player on the team and Duncan didn't have anyone remotely on the same level as Kobe for a sidekick.
I posted the wrong year on accident
I meant to put 1999, which is why I used the stat line from 1999....put 2 & 2 together.
The stat line from 1999 was a completely different sentence from the one about 2003...but I'll let you take your L because you're giving up on 2003 altogether.
Best part is, Robinson didn't make all-NBA in 1999 either, so the original claim was still wrong about that year too.
Did I say this?
You attributing quotes from others to me?
Receipts where I said this?
That was the statement that I was responding to, and you replied to my response suggesting I was wrong.
If you wanted to take my reply out-of-context and start arguing something completely different than what I was arguing, then say so.
But as long as your reply had anything whatsoever to do with the argument at hand, I'm going to assume that your response actually deals with the argument I'm making, and isn't just a brand-new argument you decided to make up in your own head.
Actually, the exact thing I said was that he wasn't playing next to three HOF's his whole career, and I pointed out the accolades of his help in his 5 championship years to prove it. You repeatedly tried to take me down by insisting that he did have someone who averaged 16-10-2 and didn't even make the all-NBA team as if it were a rebuke. That's pretty funny, and I'll keep making fun of you for it.
Duncan won more meaningless games, Kobe won more games when they mattered....in the playoffs
Actually, the issue is that when Shaq wasn't leading the team, Kobe's teams were hardly even making the playoffs, therefore Duncan had little opportunity to beat him. Duncan played the Laker teams in 5 of the 7 Shaq years, and took 2 out of 5 of those series even though he didn't have remotely the help that Shaq did. Duncan only played Kobe in the playoffs ONCE in the other 13 years of Kobe's career (the year Ginobli got hurt and the rest of the cast was old as hell), and that's mostly because Kobe-led teams tended to wash out early. Where was Kobe in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2013, and 2014 when Duncan's teams got deep in the playoffs?
Those playoff series stats would look a lot different if Kobe had managed to pull up a crap supporting cast into a Spurs matchup like Duncan did in the other direction.
Ask to compare blocks and rebounds of a 7'0 foot PF in comparison to a 6'6 SG brehs
Who had a bigger impact on who won the game? Obviously it would be Kobe fool....he actually won when it mattered
And the post you quoted was my response to you saying Kobe never straight up killed San Antonio. What does how many rebounds or block he had matter when we are talking of someone killing another team?
The fact that Kobe scored 30+ in 21 (26%) of the 82 games he played against Duncan, including hitting for 40+ on 5 different occasions, while Duncan only hit 30 or more in only 10 (12%) of the 82 games is the definition of killing someone else.
"Bu-bu-but, how many rebounds & blocks did Kobe have in comparison to Duncan?"
The fact that you would ask such a nonsensical question let's me know you scrambling for a response
He's 7 feet and shot horrible from the field. Since when is it okay to shoot 42% from the field as a 7 footer and then say "balled out" when he was the biggest man on the court?
You trying to excuse it, bringing up rebounds, as if the Spurs had anyone else able to rebound effectively in 2008. Somebody had to get the boards for them, why not be the biggest guy on the court?
All those responses built around, "but but but Duncan's dominance shouldn't count because he's tall! Tall people need to be held to a higher standard! Let's forget about rebounds and blocks and defense and everything else and just evaluate on ppg. PPG! PPG!
And I love that you keep saying 43% is "horrible from the field", and thinking that dismisses 29-17-5-1-2.
If 43% is horrible from the field, than there goes 2/3 of Kobe's championships.
But I guess it's just this special rule of basketball that missing shots only hurts your team if you're tall.
He sure did dominate him.
Averaging 28, 6, 5 and winning 4 out of 6 playoff matchups >>> Duncan 25, 14, 2 and losing 4 out of 6 matchups.
It doesn't "leave out" anything, because you cant go by playoff matchups which never happened when we are discussing facts.
They met 6 times in the playoffs.
Kobe's team won 4x. Duncan's team won 2x.
The end.
But when they met up...what happened?
Kobe won 2x as many as he lost....while Duncan lost 2x as many as he won
"The second fiddle gets the credit! Please let the 2nd fiddle have the credit!"
"28-6-5-1-0 is dominant over 24-14-4-1-2 because the first stat line has a Shaq!"
Seriously, Kobestan arguments are the worst. Every time you start losing, you just begin screaming, "Shaq's rings are Kobe's! Shaq's rings are Kobe's!"
Those three Finals MVPs have to be the ugliest thing in the world for your revisionist worldview.
2008 playoffs against a Prime Tim Duncan led Spurs team?
Kobe destroyed the Spurs and outplayed Duncan
31-year-old Tim Duncan, at or near his career lows at that point in scoring, rebounding, FG%, and blocks, is somehow "Prime Tim Duncan" even though he was obviously a step below where he'd been for his first 8 seasons. And the team was himself, Parker, injured Ginobli and a bunch of 35+ year-old guys who were ready to retire.
You keep on going on with the argument that the "middle of Duncan's prime" stretched from 1997-2010, and don't care how stupid that looks.
So, when he was averaging 18 ppg and shooting 45% FG & 35% 3pt against the Suns in the 1st round and 21 ppg on 44% FG & 39% 3pt against the Hornets in the 2nd round...it was cool. All of a sudden, his numbers dropped to 13 ppg on 36% FG and it was "bu-bu-but, he was injured
Why wasn't he putting up 13 ppg on 36% in the first 2 series then?
Why did his numbers drop so bad against the Lakers, but he was injured all playoffs?
Exactly
Kobe shut him down
Yeah, because "he aggravated the injury before the WCF; playing on injuries makes them worse", which is what the article I linked for you said, would just be too big a conspiracy.
And I guess the fact that Ginobli had been managing 20-5-3 and 2 steals on only 11 shots/game in 27 min/game during his regular season appearances against Kobe that year was just because Kobe hadn't gotten his super-special playoff defense on yet?
What numbers have I posted from Duncan at 36?
I was responding directly to you bragging about Kobe's head-to-head stats against Duncan going up to 2013, but then you stopped there because Kobe got an owie.
So Duncan can count as an opponent even when he's 36, but let's keep out all of Kobe's post-34 numbers because those don't look so good.
You're using quotes that they said BEFORE the playoffs began....Im using quotes they said AFTER the games happened and the truth came to light
I used quotes from the EXACT SAME TIME coming from the EXACT SAME ARTICLE as you did.
Too easy here. You type a lot, but after breaking down your posts, it's all fluff, moving goal posts, and strawman arguments
Wait, you reply to my facts and numbers with a bunch of bullshyt almost completely devoid of actual information, and then have the audacity to post this on the end?
And you bragged at the beginning about how decimating your response was going to be.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Kobestan in his natural behavior.
The amount of bullshyt that's been dapped and repped in here.