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If Lebron james is the best Player of His Generation, who's the 2nd Best?
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First I wanna say, Kobe and lebon ain't even in the same era. Second, the answer is Wade.
But you're doing the same thing down below by attempting to leave out the playoff records
Just leave out that Kobe is 18-12 against Duncan in the playoffs - which covers their whole careers
Kobe averaged 28 ppg, 6 rebs, 5 assts, and 1.4 stls on 47% FG and 35% 3pt while Duncan at 25 ppg, 14 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl, and 2 blocks a game on 47% FG.
False.
In the 82 career games between the 2 of em (counting regular season + playoffs), Duncan has scored 30 or more only 10 times including hitting 40 or more only 1x......Kobe has scored 30 or more on 21 different occasions, including 5 games with 40 or more
Kobe with Shaq on the team vs. Spurs averaged 24.5 ppg over 23 regular season matchups and 28.0 ppg over 25 playoff games. Went 3-2 against Duncan in the playoffs.
Kobe WITHOUT Shaq (up until he tore his Achilles) vs Spurs averaged 25.1 ppg over 24 regular season matchups and 29.2 ppg over 5 playoff games. Also went 1-0 against Duncan in the playoffs.
Popovich during the 2001 playoffs on Kobe: "He's not just going up and down the court anymore, playing on talent," Popovich said. "He's using his ability and playing wisely. He knows what time of the game it is, what the situation is and where his teammates are. That takes time to learn. In terms of development, he's really made a big leap."
NBA Playoffs 2001 - Bryant stops acting his age
Popovich during the 2003 playoffs on Kobe: ""He shoots his threes, he takes it to the hole, he likes the baseline jumpers. But what he does best is he takes what’s given. It’s the sign of a very intelligent basketball player. You see him read games and see how it’s going, see where he’s needed. Sometimes he’ll just defer to everyone else for a while until he sees what’s the weakness in the other team, or what’s available to him, or how people are guarding him or how his team is playing. He factors all these things in and then comes and tries to kick your ass."
The Evolution of Kobe Bryant: Gregg Popovich
Hell...Shaq himself: "Kobe has been playing phenomenal. He's the best player in the league by far, especially when he's playing like that." -- O'Neal after Bryant scored 45 against the Spurs in Game 1 of the 2001 Western Conference finals, New York Times
What about Phil Jackson?
"I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now," Phil Jackson said. "It's the best that I've seen a player of mine play with an overall court game."
You might remember, Eric, that Jackson once coached a player named Michael Jordan. When the Finals start, you'll probably keep hearing those comparisons, too. But let Phil clear up one thing now, before everyone takes the comparisons to the extremes.
"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That's the greatest player I ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game. Yet I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be a playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. Kobe has to set up the offense, read the defense, make others happy and he's doing a great job of it. Kobe has become the floor leader on a basketball team that was looking for that player who can not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker who can consistently make big plays at critical times. It was very important for Kobe to step into that role he was envisioned at."
NBA Playoffs 2001 - Bryant stops acting his age
But, nobody was thinking about stopping Kobe?
Kobe won 5 Championships right through the middle of Duncan's prime: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010....and went 2 other times as well in 2004 & 2007, completing a Three-Peat and a Back 2 Back during Duncan's prime. He also directly sent Tim Duncan fishing on 4 different occasions including a stretch where he eliminated Duncan in 3 out of 4 years (from 2001-2004)
Secondly, what do you mean "If he was such a Spurs-killer, then he should have been able to stop them a few more times"?
They only matched up in 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, & 2008
Kobe stopped him in 4 of those 6 years and HE actually went on to play in 5 of his 7 NBA Finals AFTER sending Duncan home
Nice try to spin....but nah. Doesn't work.
What does this mean though?
These 5 years you just listed, he only went through Kobe in 1999 and 2003....so what do the other years matter? Kobe won more Championships during Duncan's prime than vice versa AND sent Duncan home over and over again in the process...you cant say the same vice versa
2003: Duncan was the only all-star...but he was playing alongside an All-NBA Center that you "conveniently" left out thinking I wouldn't check the facts on you
David Robinson made the All-NBA Team in 1998, 2000, and 2001. You putting "Duncan was the only All-NBA" in 1999 as if that should throw us off is
Robinson still up 16 ppg, 10 rebs, 2.4 blks, 1.4 stls, on 51% FG in 1999...which is better production than most Centers today.
Me too
And this is EXACTLY how the lying trolls contradict themselves in the same thread gentlemen
You're saying Duncan's prime was 1997-2005 because that's when he was making 1st team All-NBA.....but yet you say Kobe's prime started in 1999:
...when Kobe's prime should actually have started in 2002, according to you, because that's when Kobe first started to make 1st team All-NBA
So, going by All-NBA 1st teams....are you saying Kobe was only prime from 2002-2004, then 2006-2013 because that's when he was making All-NBA 1st team?
Duncan didn't "ball out" being 7 feet and shooting only 42% from the field in that series
Some of the shooting lines Duncan put up in the series:
6-14 from the field
10-26 from the field
7-19 from the field
Parker should've feasted? He averaged 19 ppg and shot 48% from the field in that series and played better offensively over the last 3 games of the series than Duncan did
Ginobili had a bad series because Kobe locked him down
Facts: Kobe's Lakers (Kobe only All-NBA player on roster that season) beat the Spurs 4-1 with Duncan and Ginobili (both All-NBA that season) in the starting lineup with Kobe closing them out in Game 5 with 39 points on 16-30 shooting...including 17 points in the 4th quarter
That's not what Popovich was saying though...I posted above what Pop was saying during that time, and don't make me have to fill this thread with Pop's praises of Kobe
Make up your own quote brehs:forreal:
"Had those teams not had Kobe and his mental aspect and the way he pushed guys there, the Lakers wouldn’t have won as many championships during that time with Shaq. You need that person to pardon my French be an [expletive] for other guys for the sake of winning." Bruce Bowen
Q&A: Former Spurs’ Bruce Bowen recalls defending Kobe Bryant | Inside the Lakers
Popovich during the 2001 playoffs on Kobe: "He's not just going up and down the court anymore, playing on talent," Popovich said. "He's using his ability and playing wisely. He knows what time of the game it is, what the situation is and where his teammates are. That takes time to learn. In terms of development, he's really made a big leap."
NBA Playoffs 2001 - Bryant stops acting his age
Popovich during the 2003 playoffs on Kobe: ""He shoots his threes, he takes it to the hole, he likes the baseline jumpers. But what he does best is he takes what’s given. It’s the sign of a very intelligent basketball player. You see him read games and see how it’s going, see where he’s needed. Sometimes he’ll just defer to everyone else for a while until he sees what’s the weakness in the other team, or what’s available to him, or how people are guarding him or how his team is playing. He factors all these things in and then comes and tries to kick your ass."
The Evolution of Kobe Bryant: Gregg Popovich
"Kobe has been playing phenomenal. He's the best player in the league by far, especially when he's playing like that." -- O'Neal after Bryant scored 45 against the Spurs in Game 1 of the 2001 Western Conference finals, New York Times
A sick run is leading your team to 3 straight NBA Finals in a row. Only 13 teams have ever accomplished this in NBA History...only Jordan, Magic and Kobe are the only players to ever do it on 2 separate occasions.
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Kobe stans ruined this thread smh.
Easily Wade
Prime Wade was just
Prime Wade was just
The answer to the OP's question is Duncan.
You want to count accolades?
Three-time All-American
AP, Wooden, and Naismith Player of the Year
Rookie of the Year
15 All-NBA teams (1st all-time), including 10 years 1st-team All-NBA (3rd all-time)
15 All-Defensive teams (1st all-time), including 8 years 1st-team All-Defense (5th all-time) - and he deserved his
15 All-Star appearances (2nd all-time), including an All-Star MVP
2 MVPs (9th all-time), 2 runner-up finishes, 9 times in the top-5 in voting and 12 times in the top-8
Kobe Bryant
- 15 All-NBA teams (1st all-time), including 11x 1st team All-NBA (1st all-time)
- 12 All-Defense teams (2nd all-time), including 9x All-Defense (1st all-time)
- 18 All-Star appearances (2nd all-time...not Duncan who's actually 4th) including 4 All-Star MVPs
- 1 MVP (16th all-time), 1 runner up finish, and 11 times in the top-5 in voting
You want to count postseason success?
241 playoff games (3rd all-time)
5th all-time in playoff scoring, 3rd all-time in playoff rebounds, 1st all-time in playoff blocks
6 NBA Finals appearances, including 5 championships
3 Finals MVPs (2nd all-time)
Kobe Bryant
- 220 playoff games (5th all-time)
- 3rd all-time in playoff scoring (Tim Duncan is 6th...not 5th), 9th all-time in playoff assists, and 6th all-time in steals
- 7 NBA Finals appearances, including 5 Championships
- 2 Finals MVPs (5th all-time)
You want to count traditional statistics?
2nd in NBA in points scored in 2002, 14th in scoring in NBA history
Top-10 in NBA in FG% six times
Led NBA in rebounds in 2002, top-5 in rebounds 11 times, 6th in rebounds in NBA history
2nd in NBA in blocks in 2003, top-5 in blocks 7 times and top-10 in blocks 15 times, 5th in blocks in NBA history
Kobe Bryant
- Led the NBA in total points scored 4x (2003, 2006-2008)
- 2x Scoring Champion (2006 & 2007)
- Only player in NBA history to amass 33,500+ points, 7000+ rebounds, and 6300+ assists
- 3rd all-time scoring in NBA History
- 3rd all-time in Assists for non-point guards
- 5th all-time in Rebounds for non-big men
- 14th all-time in Steals
I'll wait for your retort 
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But you're doing the same thing down below by attempting to leave out the playoff records
Just leave out that Kobe is 18-12 against Duncan in the playoffs - which covers their whole careers
Kobe averaged 28 ppg, 6 rebs, 5 assts, and 1.4 stls on 47% FG and 35% 3pt while Duncan at 25 ppg, 14 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl, and 2 blocks a game on 47% FG.
False.
In the 82 career games between the 2 of em (counting regular season + playoffs), Duncan has scored 30 or more only 10 times including hitting 40 or more only 1x......Kobe has scored 30 or more on 21 different occasions, including 5 games with 40 or more
Kobe with Shaq on the team vs. Spurs averaged 24.5 ppg over 23 regular season matchups and 28.0 ppg over 25 playoff games. Went 3-2 against Duncan in the playoffs.
Kobe WITHOUT Shaq (up until he tore his Achilles) vs Spurs averaged 25.1 ppg over 24 regular season matchups and 29.2 ppg over 5 playoff games. Also went 1-0 against Duncan in the playoffs.
Popovich during the 2001 playoffs on Kobe: "He's not just going up and down the court anymore, playing on talent," Popovich said. "He's using his ability and playing wisely. He knows what time of the game it is, what the situation is and where his teammates are. That takes time to learn. In terms of development, he's really made a big leap."
NBA Playoffs 2001 - Bryant stops acting his age
Popovich during the 2003 playoffs on Kobe: ""He shoots his threes, he takes it to the hole, he likes the baseline jumpers. But what he does best is he takes what’s given. It’s the sign of a very intelligent basketball player. You see him read games and see how it’s going, see where he’s needed. Sometimes he’ll just defer to everyone else for a while until he sees what’s the weakness in the other team, or what’s available to him, or how people are guarding him or how his team is playing. He factors all these things in and then comes and tries to kick your ass."
The Evolution of Kobe Bryant: Gregg Popovich
Hell...Shaq himself: "Kobe has been playing phenomenal. He's the best player in the league by far, especially when he's playing like that." -- O'Neal after Bryant scored 45 against the Spurs in Game 1 of the 2001 Western Conference finals, New York Times
What about Phil Jackson?
"I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now," Phil Jackson said. "It's the best that I've seen a player of mine play with an overall court game."
You might remember, Eric, that Jackson once coached a player named Michael Jordan. When the Finals start, you'll probably keep hearing those comparisons, too. But let Phil clear up one thing now, before everyone takes the comparisons to the extremes.
"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That's the greatest player I ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game. Yet I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be a playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. Kobe has to set up the offense, read the defense, make others happy and he's doing a great job of it. Kobe has become the floor leader on a basketball team that was looking for that player who can not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker who can consistently make big plays at critical times. It was very important for Kobe to step into that role he was envisioned at."
NBA Playoffs 2001 - Bryant stops acting his age
But, nobody was thinking about stopping Kobe?
Kobe won 5 Championships right through the middle of Duncan's prime: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010....and went 2 other times as well in 2004 & 2007, completing a Three-Peat and a Back 2 Back during Duncan's prime. He also directly sent Tim Duncan fishing on 4 different occasions including a stretch where he eliminated Duncan in 3 out of 4 years (from 2001-2004)
Secondly, what do you mean "If he was such a Spurs-killer, then he should have been able to stop them a few more times"?
They only matched up in 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, & 2008
Kobe stopped him in 4 of those 6 years and HE actually went on to play in 5 of his 7 NBA Finals AFTER sending Duncan home
Nice try to spin....but nah. Doesn't work.
What does this mean though?
These 5 years you just listed, he only went through Kobe in 1999 and 2003....so what do the other years matter? Kobe won more Championships during Duncan's prime than vice versa AND sent Duncan home over and over again in the process...you cant say the same vice versa
2003: Duncan was the only all-star...but he was playing alongside an All-NBA Center that you "conveniently" left out thinking I wouldn't check the facts on you
David Robinson made the All-NBA Team in 1998, 2000, and 2001. You putting "Duncan was the only All-NBA" in 1999 as if that should throw us off is
Robinson still up 16 ppg, 10 rebs, 2.4 blks, 1.4 stls, on 51% FG in 1999...which is better production than most Centers today.
Me too
And this is EXACTLY how the lying trolls contradict themselves in the same thread gentlemen
You're saying Duncan's prime was 1997-2005 because that's when he was making 1st team All-NBA.....but yet you say Kobe's prime started in 1999:
...when Kobe's prime should actually have started in 2002, according to you, because that's when Kobe first started to make 1st team All-NBA
So, going by All-NBA 1st teams....are you saying Kobe was only prime from 2002-2004, then 2006-2013 because that's when he was making All-NBA 1st team?
Duncan didn't "ball out" being 7 feet and shooting only 42% from the field in that series
Some of the shooting lines Duncan put up in the series:
6-14 from the field
10-26 from the field
7-19 from the field
Parker should've feasted? He averaged 19 ppg and shot 48% from the field in that series and played better offensively over the last 3 games of the series than Duncan did
Ginobili had a bad series because Kobe locked him down
Facts: Kobe's Lakers (Kobe only All-NBA player on roster that season) beat the Spurs 4-1 with Duncan and Ginobili (both All-NBA that season) in the starting lineup with Kobe closing them out in Game 5 with 39 points on 16-30 shooting...including 17 points in the 4th quarter
That's not what Popovich was saying though...I posted above what Pop was saying during that time, and don't make me have to fill this thread with Pop's praises of Kobe
Make up your own quote brehs:forreal:
"Had those teams not had Kobe and his mental aspect and the way he pushed guys there, the Lakers wouldn’t have won as many championships during that time with Shaq. You need that person to pardon my French be an [expletive] for other guys for the sake of winning." Bruce Bowen
Q&A: Former Spurs’ Bruce Bowen recalls defending Kobe Bryant | Inside the Lakers
Popovich during the 2001 playoffs on Kobe: "He's not just going up and down the court anymore, playing on talent," Popovich said. "He's using his ability and playing wisely. He knows what time of the game it is, what the situation is and where his teammates are. That takes time to learn. In terms of development, he's really made a big leap."
NBA Playoffs 2001 - Bryant stops acting his age
Popovich during the 2003 playoffs on Kobe: ""He shoots his threes, he takes it to the hole, he likes the baseline jumpers. But what he does best is he takes what’s given. It’s the sign of a very intelligent basketball player. You see him read games and see how it’s going, see where he’s needed. Sometimes he’ll just defer to everyone else for a while until he sees what’s the weakness in the other team, or what’s available to him, or how people are guarding him or how his team is playing. He factors all these things in and then comes and tries to kick your ass."
The Evolution of Kobe Bryant: Gregg Popovich
"Kobe has been playing phenomenal. He's the best player in the league by far, especially when he's playing like that." -- O'Neal after Bryant scored 45 against the Spurs in Game 1 of the 2001 Western Conference finals, New York Times
A sick run is leading your team to 3 straight NBA Finals in a row. Only 13 teams have ever accomplished this in NBA History...only Jordan, Magic and Kobe are the only players to ever do it on 2 separate occasions.
Sheeeshhh go easy on em
Sheeeshhh go easy on em
I mean...he loves to give these long drawn out posts to everybody else. Now that someone hit em right back, he aint got nothing to say
And @The Dankster, don't think I haven't noticed you dapping people in this thread AFTER I posted directly to you either
Im still waiting over an hour for you to respond to my response
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I mean...he loves to give these long drawn out posts to everybody else. Now that someone hit em right back, he aint got nothing to say
And @The Dankster, don't think I haven't noticed you dapping people in this thread AFTER I posted directly to you either
Im still waiting over an hour for you to respond to my response
Most Kobe haters are bias and lack logic.
Kobe had no are yet finished his career with 5 rings, and 30k points. You know how many players had at least 5 rings and 30k points? The two goats Jordan and Kareem.
Then they use the "MVP" argument to downplay Kobe, yet they've been saying "MVP" doesn't matter now that Steph is winning it every year
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Expect anything less from the seum WOAT. Same guy who said compared to Mike "Kobe did more with less"Kobe missing the playoffs in the middle of his era