If she's not submissive, don't date her. Simple

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

When you have somebody next to you who is well adjusted and doesn't need you to be less than to feel worthy, it's amazing.

And b/c that's what I've had as a model in a man, that's the only type of men I've ever dated. Ones who are strong enough to want me to get to my full potential because no matter how far I climb they know it is no threat to their own greatness.

And these men have helped me be a better woman and I've helped them be better men.
In the OP's entire fukking post, I didn't see anything about pushing her past her limits or helping each other grow.

Where the fuk do these dudes come from?
What type of toxic wasteland are we growing these fukk bois in? For you to feel so impotent in your own life that the first thing out ur mouth is submission when it comes to a relationship. Shyt is embarrassing and unhealthy but that's life.

 

[PlainSight]

Everyone has their dynamic. Not every man is a leader and not every woman is submissive. Trying to box yourself into roles that dont suit you is a recipe for sisaster in the long run. Play to your strengths

Personaĺly i want an equal.

 

[MrSinnister]

When you have somebody next to you who is well adjusted and doesn't need you to be less than to feel worthy, it's amazing.

And b/c that's what I've had as a model in a man, that's the only type of men I've ever dated. Ones who are strong enough to want me to get to my full potential because no matter how far I climb they know it is no threat to their own greatness.

And these men have helped me be a better woman and I've helped them be better men.
In the OP's entire fukking post, I didn't see anything about pushing her past her limits or helping each other grow.

Where the fuk do these dudes come from?
What type of toxic wasteland are we growing these fukk bois in? For you to feel so impotent in your own life that the first thing out ur mouth is submission when it comes to a relationship. Shyt is embarrassing and unhealthy but that's life.

NYC has fukk tons of them. I've never seen so many dudes give their women so much drama (that they accept) in trying to control them, and every other woman they can find for side pieces.

Not White Knighting, but these same dudes cry about constantly worrying about another man and actually getting cheated on by the women they unleash hell on. Both parties accept this, even if the dude is dead ass broke. Never seen shyt like that.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

NYC has fukk tons of them. I've never seen so many dudes give their women so much drama (that they accept) in trying to control them, and every other woman they can find for side pieces.

Not White Knighting, but these same dudes cry about constantly worrying about another man and actually getting cheated on by the women they unleash hell on. Both parties accept this, even if the dude is dead ass broke. Never seen shyt like that.

It's not healthy. People with an incessant need for others to serve them are riddled with their own insecurities.

Good relationships are compromises between two equals who want to help each other grow. Anything less breeds resentment, insecurity, arrogance...ect. But this is hard to do, because common sense and an ability to put urself in someone else's shoes is rare these days.

 

[MrSinnister]

It's not healthy. People with an incessant need for others to serve them are riddled with their own insecurities.

Good relationships are compromises between two equals who want to help each other grow. Anything less breeds resentment, insecurity, arrogance...ect. But this is hard to do, because common sense and an ability to put urself in someone else's shoes is rare these days.

That's what I keep saying for men and women. We lack empathy to the point that were becoming more materialistic, militants in our thinking, and sociopathic/self defeating in actions and future planning. You can't always work for self. Sometimes give people the knowledge too and see if they're good enough to give back dividends, but you can't always want to be the man or woman on top.

 

[Frump]

My guess is these dudes who have a need to be in total control like that probably were burned in the past and cheated on or whatever and if they can find a women who does as he pleases they'res less chance they'll get hurt again in their minds.

 

[havoc]

Do everything what the Op said and become an ex, brehettes.

Be a submissive woman and not get marry, brehettes.

 

[Luxury Tax]

DNA that never leaves your system, and a soul tie.

Kids Can Develop Features From Their Mother’s Previous Sex Partners… In Flies At Least

without putting my business out there, this shyt is real.

 

[Prodyson]

My mother ain't submissive and my daddy ain't no hoe.

How the hell have these two strong-willed individuals stayed married for 42+ years?

They submit to each other and they are honest about who is better at what. They also want to help each other become better and learn whatever they are weak in, so there's very little ego in them.

They've argued and disagreed, but their pragmatism and common sense doesn't allow them to hold a grudge when something needs to be done.

To this day I'm blessed to have a father who NEVER implied that my mother was inferior or needed to submit to him in ANY way. If he sees weakness in my mother, hell he is the one who pushes her to eliminate it. ( she could careless about learning "man shyt" as she says).

To this day, I've never seen a time when my mother didn't support or uplift my father, even when he was out of work for a year and she had to be the primary provider.

Some of ya'll will never know what it looks like for a man and a woman to live together on the same page w/o needing subservience or submission because you've never seen what that looks like. It's compromise and wanting each other to live to their fullest potential that is most important.

For all the bytching and whining about submission, I have yet to hear any of this. Which let's me know you don't deserve it anyway.

You don't understand what submission means in relation to marriage, which is weird because you made direct reference to it in your response. Submission is not a temperament, it is an active choice. It is also not about inferiority. It's about deciding who will take the reigns of the relationship/family. Just because I'm in charge of a project doesn't mean my assistant project manager isn't built to be in charge. It just means i have final say. And if I'm a good project manager (husband) I would consult my assistant PM regularly and put them in charge of parts of the project, knowing that if i leave for some reason, they are well capable to complete the project without me.

And to your last statement, submission in the correct context is not mutually exclusive to wanting fulfilled potential for your partner. Submission properly exercised would result in that fulfilled potential when dealing with two mature individuals. But I'll tell you this... SACRIFICE is much better served in marriage than COMPROMISE... much better

 

[Prodyson]

My guess is these dudes who have a need to be in total control like that probably were burned in the past and cheated on or whatever and if they can find a women who does as he pleases they'res less chance they'll get hurt again in their minds.

Submission is not about total control.

Edit:

But i will add this...
You should NOT actively seek submission from your partner. You should seek to be a competent leader of self and family and pray that she sees you fit to be submitted to (to allow you to lead with her at your side). You can't worry about them. You can only do your part. If a woman sees that you can handle finances, she's likely to let you make financial decisions out of respect and trust. And as a leader of the family, you should be able to recognize if you aren't good with finances and put away your pride and allow your wife to take that responsibly if she so desires... just for example.

 

[Stacker Pentecost]

Show me a woman that's argumentative, disagreeable, and henpecking in her relationship
And i'll show you a man that's not handling his business somehow

Welp

 

[Stacker Pentecost]

I feel like the crazy non submissive bytchy females p*ssy and head game out of this world.
I mean it has to be the only reason why females get like that. Sex game so fukking amazing that when she gets out of control nobody does anything so she just gets used to that mentality.

LOL

 

[Stacker Pentecost]

Everyone has their dynamic. Not every man is a leader and not every woman is submissive. Trying to box yourself into roles that dont suit you is a recipe for sisaster in the long run. Play to your strengths

Personaĺly i want an equal.

/thread

 

[Stacker Pentecost]

It's not healthy. People with an incessant need for others to serve them are riddled with their own insecurities.

Good relationships are compromises between two equals who want to help each other grow. Anything less breeds resentment, insecurity, arrogance...ect. But this is hard to do, because common sense and an ability to put urself in someone else's shoes is rare these days.

No really, end thread

 

[StickStickly]

You don't understand what submission means in relation to marriage, which is weird because you made direct reference to it in your response. Submission is not a temperament, it is an active choice. It is also not about inferiority. It's about deciding who will take the reigns of the relationship/family. Just because I'm in charge of a project doesn't mean my assistant project manager isn't built to be in charge. It just means i have final say. And if I'm a good project manager (husband) I would consult my assistant PM regularly and put them in charge of parts of the project, knowing that if i leave for some reason, they are well capable to complete the project without me.

And to your last statement, submission in the correct context is not mutually exclusive to wanting fulfilled potential for your partner. Submission properly exercised would result in that fulfilled potential when dealing with two mature individuals. But I'll tell you this... SACRIFICE is much better served in marriage than COMPROMISE... much better

Submission as the OP referenced is a temperament; submission in marriage as you described is a choice.


However most of these posters aren't married and are talking about a temperament in women they are dating or hooking up with and have no intentions of doing anything else