If we placed these 80s, 90s, and early 00s players in the league today, would they be better or worse?

[Professor Emeritus]

Does breh have any rationale for why he just cherry-picked 18 perimeter players from 3 different eras out of the thousands of players who were in the league in those decades? I mean, Jason Richardson was born twenty-five years later than Michael Cooper was, so why are they on the same list?

Just seems like a random time-wasting thread.

Breh never watched Peja. He was in legit mvp talks one season something Lauri and kp have never sniffed

That's not the boost for that era that you think it is.

 

[fifth column]

This desperation to have the 90's basketball back has become absolute cancer to this forum man

Replace 90’s with competitive and there’s your why

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Replace 90’s with competitive and there’s your why

WTF does this even mean? We have a completely different Finals matchup every year. The 1980s were WAY less competitive, there were a few dominant teams and everyone else sucked ass.

You think bringing Jamal Mashburn, Glen Rice, Cuttino Mobley, Allan Houston, and Nick van Exel back into the game is the key to what would make the 2020s more "competitive"?

 

[fifth column]

WTF does this even mean? We have a completely different Finals matchup every year. The 1980s were WAY less competitive, there were a few dominant teams and everyone else sucked ass.

You think bringing Jamal Mashburn, Glen Rice, Cuttino Mobley, Allan Houston, and Nick van Exel back into the game is the key to what would make the 2020s more "competitive"?

Finals matchup has nothing to do with competitiveness, only 1 team can win the chip each season. This eras players need to go back to working on their fundamentals and stop spamming 3s.

The evidence is in the views, people aren’t tuned in to watch like they used to.

 

[Lakerman0834]

Does breh have any rationale for why he just cherry-picked 18 perimeter players from 3 different eras out of the thousands of players who were in the league in those decades? I mean, Jason Richardson was born twenty-five years later than Michael Cooper was, so why are they on the same list?

Just seems like a random time-wasting thread.





That's not the boost for that era that you think it is.

It Peja was a legit baller and anyone who watched him knows it

 

[Shadow King]

I don't think it'd be that interesting for most of those names. Some would have more value than others.

Ex 1:
Allan Houston: A 6'5 elite shooter with basic handles, no facilitation skills, sketchy defense, and average athleticism.
Is he better than Kawhi, Harden, PG? No.
Is he "better" or more useful than what 6'3 Norman Powell brings to the Clippers? Not really/depends.

Ex 2
Peja: A 6'10 unathletic euro with an elite jumper but subpar handles, no facilitation skills, and no defense.
Would he eat in this era? Depends on his role. Would any GM take him over 7'2 Porzingis? Doubtful. 7'0 Markkanen? Doubtful.

Peja isn't an unathletic as you're saying and as long as a team doesn't try to make him a playmaker he'd be alright. Came in before "this era" but Gallinari is a similar player, just a bit of give and take of more handle/creation in exchange for being a very good but not elite shooter.

 

[Primetime]

Now it’s:

“You didn’t watch Peja” if you believe gms would take Lauri and Porzingis over his skill set in 2024

Being an mvp candidate for one season is cool just like Allan Houston being a 100-milly “star player” for a top East team is cool… but c’mon now

Itd be like me critiquing Anthony Mason rip but then ppl firing back nah fukk all that he was a bonafide all star in 2001! Lmao

But alas, I see what this is. No worries

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Finals matchup has nothing to do with competitiveness, only 1 team can win the chip each season.

It's not just the Finals matchup, there were 30-win teams making the playoffs and teams with losing records in the WCF.

This eras players need to go back to working on their fundamentals and stop spamming 3s.

The evidence is in the views, people aren’t tuned in to watch like they used to.

The ratings from 2010 to 2018 were higher than the ratings from 2002 to 2009. But you want to back to that 2000s ball? Yeah, ratings were higher in the 1990s cause most people only had a few stations and everyone watched a lot of TV. The era is different now, we're never going back.

Doesn't have jack shyt to do with "fundamentals", cause mid-2000s fundamentals were far better than late 1990s expansion era fundamentals (when turnovers shot up, FT% nosedived, and they literally had to move the 3pt line in so players could make it), yet late 1990s ball had the higher ratings. The average casual NBA viewer knows nothing about "fundamentals".

Yes, the product has gotten worse recently, but that's only because analytics figured out how to maximize efficiency so every teams is doing it. Just telling them to stop won't work, no one is going to voluntarily adopt a losing strategy. If you want to change the game, the only option is to change the rules so that the 3pt isn't such a big advantage....and maybe help defenders cover their space easier.

 

[Primetime]

Peja isn't an unathletic as you're saying and as long as a team doesn't try to make him a playmaker he'd be alright. Came in before "this era" but Gallinari is a similar player, just a bit of give and take of more handle/creation in exchange for being a very good but not elite shooter.

Thank you for actually reading what I said and the context

And agreed. If he’s not forced into being a playmaker, he’d be solid.

In my original post I was going to add I don’t think he’d be a #1 option (on a title team) but could be a solid #3 (different but similar to MagaJr). More or less what his traditional role was on that healthy Kings. Would just depend on the system.

 

[fifth column]

It's not just the Finals matchup, there were 30-win teams making the playoffs and teams with losing records in the WCF.







The ratings from 2010 to 2018 were higher than the ratings from 2002 to 2009. But you want to back to that 2000s ball? Yeah, ratings were higher in the 1990s cause most people only had a few stations and everyone watched a lot of TV. The era is different now, we're never going back.

Doesn't have jack shyt to do with "fundamentals", cause mid-2000s fundamentals were far better than late 1990s expansion era fundamentals (when turnovers shot up, FT% nosedived, and they literally had to move the 3pt line in so players could make it), yet late 1990s ball had the higher ratings. The average casual NBA viewer knows nothing about "fundamentals".

Yes, the product has gotten worse recently, but that's only because analytics figured out how to maximize efficiency so every teams is doing it. Just telling them to stop won't work, no one is going to voluntarily adopt a losing strategy. If you want to change the game, the only option is to change the rules so that the 3pt isn't such a big advantage....and maybe help defenders cover their space easier.

Teams with losing records making the playoffs is the equivalent of teams in the play-in tournament making the WCF and the finals just last year, purely circumstantial.

Analytics is the equivalent of using chatgpt to figure out who is good at basketball. I watch for high level competition