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Atsym Sknyfs said:
to add ... he wants you to CHOOSE to follow him not be forced.. therefore he wont prove himself...
Freewill was the one of the reasons Satan got banished.
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I've always questioned why make it so hard. We have so many things may stop/distract us from believing(science, other religions, lack of evidence, trategies, ect) and the stakes are too high(non stop torture, that will never end)

I mean look at this thread according to the Bible how many of us will get to heaven? And God new a significant amount of people throughout time would not believe. So knowing beforehand their destiny is eternal torture they still were sent here.

And for what? Life expectency up until prolly the last 100 years was prolly around the 40's to 50's and that's if you were lucky enough not to be sick, be a slave, forced to fight in savage wars you didn't start or want to be in, ect.

So again why knowing the fate of non believers were they sent here? No one gets a choice on whether to come hear or not. Where is the free will given to us not to gamble with our eternal salvation by coming to earth/life in the first place?



Also, I'm not ranting I generally would like to yours or anyone else who can help me understand these questions.
 
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The Devil's Advocate said:
it'll never happen and be highly illegal

but i'd love if they would do an experiment with babies... fresh ou the womb... with no human interaction except other kids and shyt



and we get to see humans create themselves again... they'd have to learn their own language... we'd see if killing was natural.. or theft.. or marriage... we could see if they'd spread in groups according to color... or kill off the weak... or create a god or higher power



for everything we know... we really have no fukking idea what's natural and not for us... cause we have millions of years of conditioning and society and rules that are taught since birth
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That would be interesting would want it to happen but if it ever was and knowing today's times they have already probably did this.
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I've always questioned why make it so hard. We have so many things may stop/distract us from believing(science, other religions, lack of evidence, trategies, ect) and the stakes are too high(non stop torture, that will never end)

I mean look at this thread according to the Bible how many of us will get to heaven? And God new a significant amount of people throughout time would not believe. So knowing beforehand their destiny is eternal torture they still were sent here.

And for what? Life expectency up until prolly the last 100 years was prolly around the 40's to 50's and that's if you were lucky enough not to be sick, be a slave, forced to fight in savage wars you didn't start or want to be in, ect.

So again why knowing the fate of non believers were they sent here? No one gets a choice on whether to come hear or not. Where is the free will given to us not to gamble with our eternal salvation by coming to earth/life in the first place?



Also, I'm not ranting I generally would like to yours or anyone else who can help me understand these questions.
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To separate those worthy of having a after life of happiness. Nothing wrong with questioning things were human nobody knows all but God. but this stuck with me when I asked close to your question when I was younger I was told "You have nothing to lose by following Gods word if at the end it was a lie what did you lose? But when that time comes and you find out He is real, was it worth burning in hell forever? That always stuck with me being a Christian is a good feeling to me I don't lose any happiness by following the word.
 
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The Devil's Advocate said:
and who or what defines what's a decent human being to you?

who told you killing was wrong? you weren't born knowing that... and where did they get the idea from? bet it came from one of those fairytales
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... Or it could have been an evolutionary adaptation passed down to generations until humans decided to write them down in the context of fairytales
 
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... Or it could have been an evolutionary adaptation passed down to generations until humans decided to write them down in the context of fairytales
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I suggest you learn History that is not being mean but at the time the bible was being recorded so much wrong was going on in the world you would be amazed. Rape, Hatred was on a entirely different level then it is now. :why:
 
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fact remains god doesnt exist... war, slavery, greed and corruption festers too long here to believe a supreme being can allow this to happen to humanity. plus they often say god works in mysterious ways, its bullshyt... :stopitslime: dont give me that line they will be punished for their wickedness in the afterlife nonsense...

If I was god heads would roll... and I would let everyone know it... fukk all that cryptic shyt waiting for it to happen... I would be judging people on the spot no fukks given making examples outta everyone... :birdman:
 
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iPostAlot said:
Great answers but how did you come to that understanding? All those acts you listed came from the bible and someone passed those ideals down to you. You may not believe in God but you believe in his teachings. Other wise rape,killing ect would mean nothing to us.
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I use to believe that too however after I read Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion it changed my opinion.

The book has at least a whole chapter on this very topic. Tbh , I've been pretty fuked up since I read that book because it pretty much answers in logical way all the arguments in this thread.

Now dont get me wrong I'm not saying it 100% right or even true however, he gives good explinations.

This is my short interpretation of of what he said, and others can correct who know his work/read the book. But, the Bible or any other book doesnt give us our Moral code. The basic morals are kinda universal and they come from social evolution. So the reason most religious text say dont kill is because, people have found through the trial and error of living with others that not killing those you associate with regularly is benefitial for your own excistance.

So you learn if you just try to kill everyone who doesn't do something you like, someone will try to kill you in return. If you kill people around you then there won't be people to help you get food, protect you from a lion, or have someone to mate with.

So the concept of not killing those around you survives through time as a universal truth because it works for survival. Then religious texts when they are created take on these unviersal truths.

At least short version of wut I got from it.
 
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... Or it could have been an evolutionary adaptation passed down to generations until humans decided to write them down in the context of fairytales
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:obama: good point

we'll never know though.. i'd love to see that study


edit: now that i think about it... nah breh that's wrong

if it was evolution, it would effect all humans.. but it clearly doesn't and that's a fact



some will murder and not see it as wrong

some will say all murder is wrong

some will say murder murderer's as punishment

some will say killing a fetus is not murder

some will say killing a child molester is ok


etc etc etc


and that's just murder... or death... what about theft... hungry vs never do it... etc


the way you feel on these topics is evolution.. it's just ideals and opinions on what's right or wrong

but there is no universal FACT of what's right.. you have your opinion.. some chinese guy has his.. some arab guy has his... and it's usually taught to them as a child /teenager



so what would humans do if they reset and had no ideals? they had to start from scratch...
 
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iPostAlot said:
That would be interesting would want it to happen but if it ever was and knowing today's times they have already probably did this.
To separate those worthy of having a after life of happiness. Nothing wrong with questioning things were human nobody knows all but God. but this stuck with me when I asked close to your question when I was younger I was told "You have nothing to lose by following Gods word if at the end it was a lie what did you lose? But when that time comes and you find out He is real, was it worth burning in hell forever? That always stuck with me being a Christian is a good feeling to me I don't lose any happiness by following the word.
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I have heared that arguement as well (as someone who grewup in the church) but my question to that logic is that real faith. Like to me it more like hedge my bets to say " well just in case there is a God let me follow him, if I'm wrong no harm no foul"

Also, what if the God reallys want people to follow a different type of Chistanity ex: catholocism, morminism, ect. Or what if Islam was correct. That argument wouldn't hold up.

Again these are just my questions not attacking you.
 
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