Im about to interview a breh who is asking for 120k a year salary

[Gold]

Why would you interview without knowing what they are paying? I always get that information up front.

I know it sounds crazy but people fresh out of college/desperate for a job are known to walk into an interview without having even discussed compensation.

 

[Remote]

Why would you interview without knowing what they are paying? I always get that information up front.

Yes. You typically do.

But employers almost never know what salary you make or want until you sit down together

 

[SadimirPutin]

I know it sounds crazy but people fresh out of college/desperate for a job are known to walk into an interview without having even discussed compensation.

I have interviewed for jobs without knowing compensation because I am expecting to negotiate period

 

[Terrance Curtis Beasley]

hatin ass nikka

 

[Gold]

I have interviewed for jobs without knowing compensation because I am expecting to negotiate period

I mean.. you should always negotiate, but I still like knowing what they are initially offering first. For instance the job i'm working now, they offered an.... amount. I asked for 30k more, but I sitll wanted to know what they were originally saying they would give

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

I know your range, which doesn't matter BTW. But I had this same convo withmy boy that a guy came in asking for about the same amount I was making and I was 2 positions higher. These younger guys are entitled and there's this white privilege...I've seen in my career where that "make 19% less than white counter parts". Has held true...I've finally hit a place where I'm compable and I know if I was white I'd probably have made 30% higher over the course of my career.

But you doing this to a young guy is inexcusable

Yeah you have been in a similar position but even you say it is inexcusable what OP is doing. Guy is having too much fun with this. Plus he posted it in a message board. Get real man.

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

I get resumes all the time with salaries out of the range, usually hR doesn't send me them but sometimes I ask.

If you like them you should brinng up durinng the phone screen. Primarily you should tell them the range and budget and see if they are still interested. Interviews are a dialogue to see if both sides fit.

If the guy says I'll take the job but says "but I was really looking to make 110" and the position is 85k...I know he may not stick around annd will jump ship at the first opportunity. But nowadays you get the best you canandhope they spend 2 years doing good work

Why is 2 years the magic number? I just joined this new place and want to dip once my year is up. Is that going to look unusual to future employers. I really can't stand this place

 

[Rawtid]

Yes. You typically do.

But employers almost never know what salary you make or want until you sit down together

No, you tell them on the phone interview/initial screening. "I'm looking between $x and $y". I don't even talk about salary at the sit down interview because I wouldn't be there if they didn't pay me what I wanted.

 

[Gold]

Why is 2 years the magic number? I just joined this new place and want to dip once my year is up. Is that going to look unusual to future employers. I really can't stand this place

No it wont. If you spend more than 1 year anywhere without a promotion in the IT field, you are losing money.

Because of heavily experience is valued, the amount of money you get in the paltry annual performance based raise does not compare with how much more valuable you are to the work sector with that extra year of experience.

For instance, if you are working as a fresh out of college Network Engineer making 65k (no experience), next year, you will be making anywhere from 65.25k to 67k but probalby not much more than that.

However, if you quit that job, you can ask for 72k-75k easily just off one years experience and whatever new skills or certs you acquired

The only time its beneficial to stay with the same company is if you have a clear path to a promotion. If not, 1 year and dip out.

 

[SadimirPutin]

I mean.. you should always negotiate, but I still like knowing what they are initially offering first. For instance the job i'm working now, they offered an.... amount. I asked for 30k more, but I sitll wanted to know what they were originally saying they would give

to be honest I see less and less jobs disclose compensation figures upfront

but the thing is when I do an interview I ask lots of questions.....I mean I dive deep into what is expected of me....why is this job open...did someone leave or is this because the volume of work is increasing...how much staff in the section?

is there call out.....what is the training budget...will travel be expected etc etc

So whether they give me the numbers up front or not I have an idea of what I am willing to bargain from

 

[Gold]

to be honest I see less and less jobs disclose compensation figures upfront

but the thing is when I do an interview I ask lots of questions.....I mean I dive deep into what is expected of me....why is this job open...did someone leave or is this because the volume of work is increasing...how much staff in the section?

is there call out.....what is the training budget...will travel be expected etc etc

So whether they give me the numbers up front or not I have an idea of what I am willing to bargain from

All great questions to ask.
All questions that are not asked often enough imo.

I do agree though, the higher level you get, the more leniency they have in how much they'll pay you. You reach their requirements and they want you there? Yeah they'll find a way to make the numbers work to get you there.

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

to be honest I see less and less jobs disclose compensation figures upfront

but the thing is when I do an interview I ask lots of questions.....I mean I dive deep into what is expected of me....why is this job open...did someone leave or is this because the volume of work is increasing...how much staff in the section?

is there call out.....what is the training budget...will travel be expected etc etc

So whether they give me the numbers up front or not I have an idea of what I am willing to bargain from

Good advice my G

Imma do this for the next position I apply for. For the current one I was so green (didn't ask a lot of questions, not enough salary negotiation) that I didn't have any idea what I was walking into. Wrong decision. I have to know what's up with the next employers before I commit.

 

[SadimirPutin]

No it wont. If you spend more than 1 year anywhere without a promotion in the IT field, you are losing money.

Because of heavily experience is valued, the amount of money you get in the paltry annual performance based raise does not compare with how much more valuable you are to the work sector with that extra year of experience.

For instance, if you are working as a fresh out of college Network Engineer making 65k (no experience), next year, you will be making anywhere from 65.25k to 67k but probalby not much more than that.

However, if you quit that job, you can ask for 72k-75k easily just off one years experience and whatever new skills or certs you acquired

The only time its beneficial to stay with the same company is if you have a clear path to a promotion. If not, 1 year and dip out.

i will keep it even realer with you bro

I interviewed at a place recenty....went to 3 separate interviews

Didnt get the job......still felt okay about the interview

since then network engineers started leaving the company....turnover is a big problem in that place

And it doesnt surprise me based on responses I received while in those interviews

so I "lost" but it turns out that place likely wouldnt have been the right place for me

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

No it wont. If you spend more than 1 year anywhere without a promotion in the IT field, you are losing money.

Because of heavily experience is valued, the amount of money you get in the paltry annual performance based raise does not compare with how much more valuable you are to the work sector with that extra year of experience.

For instance, if you are working as a fresh out of college Network Engineer making 65k (no experience), next year, you will be making anywhere from 65.25k to 67k but probalby not much more than that.

However, if you quit that job, you can ask for 72k-75k easily just off one years experience and whatever new skills or certs you acquired

The only time its beneficial to stay with the same company is if you have a clear path to a promotion. If not, 1 year and dip out.

Thanks for the advice. I have the same mindset. I started off with a real shytty salary, on the low end of the range, any much lower and it would have been

Even 65K would be a come up to me, which is weird considering what my skillset is and the value I'm adding to the company.

When discussing promotions the boss said annual raises are 2 to 4%. Lets say I luck out and its 4% annual raise every year it would take me 10 years to reach 90K or some shyt

& I got buddies working at Amazon with 80K out the gate.

 

[Gold]

Thanks for the advice. I have the same mindset. I started off with a real shytty salary, on the low end of the range, any much lower and it would have been

Even 65K would be a come up to me, which is weird considering what my skillset is and the value I'm adding to the company.

I don't know what you do, but I guarantee you that whatever company you work for, they could be paying you more.
Aggressive negotiation is the way to go. At worst they will say no, but most of the time if they like you, they will try to work something out.

Its crazy to me that its early 2016 and I've pretty much doubled my income from 2013 just from leaving and asking for more and more.

When you are ready to move on to your next position, hit up the IT forum in HL. Alotta brehs will help you out.