Im about to interview a breh who is asking for 120k a year salary

[hu3ypdadon]

You would think these brehs in here would understand this simple concept....but no..EBT licks make more since to them

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

Avg person isn't looking up jobs unless they arent satisfied with their current role, which is the only case I think one should bounce early. Leaving jobs in a year you haven't even had a chance to do much to even grow. Aint no recruiter at a company worth a damn interviewing someone who has 10 yrs experience at 9 different jobs that wasn't working as an independent contractor. But y'all can do what you want at the end of the day.

Yah but he's only changed jobs three times and even when he does settle in to a role he's comfortable staying in for lets say 5 years, he's in a way better position and possibly even salary range than somebody who stayed in the same company starting from the same salary post graduation. It makes a ton of sense to job hop a little bit early in your career. Boosting your salary incrementally in the early stages sets you up for the future.

But of course you have to chill for a little bit, otherwise your resume ends up looking sketch as fukk. It's a balancing act.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Good to see you brehs have started a nice convo among each other regarding this topic....just got back from the strip club....lil breh supposed to come in tomorrow for the interview.

The shenanigans start tomorrow

 

[plushcarpet]

goddamn college kids these days are entitled as hell

probably gonna wear a Bernie 2016 shirt to the interview too

 

[StickStickly]

if most of dude's resume was worded like that, then i'd have to say he definitely lacks in creativity. but that doesn't mean he cant do the job. it just seems, based on what i've read so far, that if dude was hired, he would only do precisely what he's asked to do and he wouldn't do anything above that, which is often necessary, at least in programming.

by his resume, you can't really tell he did anything at all. "collaborating on many projects" could be making phone calls or getting lunch for the team. now if he lists his supervisors in the resume as contacts, you can at least call to verify what they've done. the problem is you're going to lose if you make your future employer do the work that you're supposed to do. if i have to go extra steps just to learn about stuff that's already on other people's resumes, I'll probably just go with the other people with the better resume. you can't assume that they know you're smart and capable and most importantly, willing to work. it's up to him, not OP, to show he's capable.

 

[SadimirPutin]

Yes this is the other side of the argument and you make a lot of good points. I think it makes sense to job hop on a per annum basis but you have to cool it and stick around at a place (a place you like preferably) for at minimum two years or otherwise you will have a certain amount of employers who aren't even going to bother with you because it is expensive trying to break somebody in only for them to leave. It's a tough one, but if there is an opening and the pay is a significant increase I don't see anybody turning the job down unless there's confounding factors (location, you like your current job, etc).

Hiring managers and HR personnell have bullshyt "standards" that they would never hold themselves to....

You think any of these "We would like to see a track record of staying....." clowns would ever turn down more advantageous situations for themselves over the mirage of staying in a position for a track record...


NONSENSE

There are factors far more important than the length of time you spent at a company which will impact your interview....and if you had valid reasons for leaving why would you care ...It is up to you to curate your career choices

In fact if they asked me any questions like that I would pursue my own line of questioning

 

[Cynic]

And this nikka graduated from college in spring 2015



If he aint A1 Im gonna roast his azz if he think he gonna hustle his way on the squad

Also he can kiss that 120 goodbye even if I want him to join the team...

Fukk this is nikka...gotta earn ya stripes

if he brings in 500k-1 mil worth of business will you hesitate ?

If I wasn't already a biz-owner I'd go to a competitor and poach all your staff

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

Hiring managers and HR personnell have bullshyt "standards" that they would never hold themselves to....

You think any of these "We would like to see a track record of staying....." clowns would ever turn down more advantageous situations for themselves over the mirage of staying in a position for a track record...


NONSENSE

There are factors far more important than the length of time you spent at a company which will impact your interview....and if you had valid reasons for leaving why would you care ...It is up to you to curate your career choices

In fact if they asked me any questions like that I would pursue my own line of questioning

Mufukkas at my place asked me where I planned to be in 5 years

Of course I sold them a story They be lucky if they can get 13 months out of me. Buncha clowns

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

Good to see you brehs have started a nice convo among each other regarding this topic....just got back from the strip club....lil breh supposed to come in tomorrow for the interview.

The shenanigans start tomorrow

Breh I will be waiting to see how it turns out because you have let the hype build into a crescendo. I'd say be professional but you probably aren't going to be ... going to strip club on work night and shyt.

This kid is going to get that work and honestly it's probably to his benefit

 

[Perfectson]

Why is 2 years the magic number? I just joined this new place and want to dip once my year is up. Is that going to look unusual to future employers. I really can't stand this place

2 years is a magic # , tbh i jumped around for the first 5 years of my career and it probably hurt me in the long run but short term each jump was more money. Stick around 2 years and it shows a bit more loyalty and that's what some managers are looking for.

 

[SadimirPutin]

2 years is a magic # , tbh i jumped around for the first 5 years of my career and it probably hurt me in the long run but short term each jump was more money. Stick around 2 years and it shows a bit more loyalty and that's what some managers are looking for.

Loyalty is a bullshyt standard for a manager or a company to have seeing as companies fire employees on a whim or when the economy starts getting a little tough or they want to cut staff to reduce costs and bump up share prices etc etc

I have little inclination to show loyalty.....I stay at a company when it is mutually beneficial to both of us....when it isnt I am either replaced or leave....this is the modern business calculus.


loyalty is a myth

 

[Perfectson]

Loyalty is a bullshyt standard for a manager or a company to have seeing as companies fire employees on a whim or when the economy starts getting a little tough or they want to cut staff to reduce costs and bump up share prices etc etc

I have little inclination to show loyalty.....I stay at a company when it is mutually beneficial to both of us....when it isnt I am either replaced or leave....this is the modern business calculus.


loyalty is a myth

I will agree but disagree and I'm disagreeing only because I probably used the wrong term. 2 years shows consistency and dedication and potentially some forward progress ( hopefully you were able to move up in position or gain enough experience where a new manager will think you should be at a higher level). 1 year leaves too many questions up in the air. I have bounced around 1 year jobs alot and that was the 1st or 2nd question in EVERY interview until I got my weight up.

Loyalty in companies in America is somewhat dead but the idea behind it still is embedded in some of these 70 and 80 babies.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I will agree but disagree and I'm disagreeing only because I probably used the wrong term. 2 years shows consistency and dedication and potentially some forward progress ( hopefully you were able to move up in position or gain enough experience where a new manager will think you should be at a higher level). 1 year leaves too many questions up in the air. I have bounced around 1 year jobs alot and that was the 1st or 2nd question in EVERY interview until I got my weight up.

Loyalty in companies in America is somewhat dead but the idea behind it still is embedded in some of these 70 and 80 babies.

Man companies understand You will always put yourself first, and they still want to see a return on their investments. That one yr stuff after a while will have them see red flags because no matter what chances are you will bounce after a yr so why should we waste our money? Like i said no company worth a damn is hiring an seasoned worker who changes jobs every yr that wasnt due to them only working contract jobs. Find me someone with more than 6 yrs experience at legitimate companies doing that. Im not talking these middle of nowhere companies with 5000 or leas employees.

 

[Gold]

2 years is a magic # , tbh i jumped around for the first 5 years of my career and it probably hurt me in the long run but short term each jump was more money. Stick around 2 years and it shows a bit more loyalty and that's what some managers are looking for.

So if you're 1 year into your job, and something opens up offering 40k more, are you going to stay in your current position to show "loyalty"
Expound on how it hurt you in the long run?
Had you stayed for 2 years+, what would be the difference now? Where would you be?
When you jumped around did you not gain different skillsets?
Were you jumping around to the same position at different companies?
Are managers literally not hiring you because you didn't stay for 2 years?



Managers are looking for people who can do the job. Loyalty is a plus but that's a 1 way street. You can always be replaced no matter how "loyal" you are to a company. Being loyal to a company benefits the company, not you. Thats why its good to diversify your skillset, which is something almost every engineer I know has done. You guys are grossly overplaying this loyalty angle.

In fact, do me a favor and walk around your office today and find me a single IT engineer who has not worked in different IT fields.

Find me a Network Engineer who has not written GPO ADMX files and pushed them
Find me a Storage Engineer who has not configured a load balancer
Find me a Systems Engineer who has not has not managed a SAN
Find me a Security Engineer who has not configured the DNS on a domain controller

Show me those engineers and I'll show you people who need to widen their skillset to the other branches.

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There is so much overlap in IT Engineering. If you have never branched out and expanded your skillset, that's a negative not a positive.

Its like a Dev who only knows 1 language


But i'll let ya'll cook, stay loyal brehs

 

[SadimirPutin]

Man companies understand You will always put yourself first, and they still want to see a return on their investments. That one yr stuff after a while will have them see red flags because no matter what chances are you will bounce after a yr so why should we waste our money? Like i said no company worth a damn is hiring an seasoned worker who changes jobs every yr that wasnt due to them only working contract jobs. Find me someone with more than 6 yrs experience at legitimate companies doing that. Im not talking these middle of nowhere companies with 5000 or leas employees.

Hmmm I see the side of your argument....And I can see how that might play out for some companies.

But let me offer a counterargument. When you have something perceived as valuable to offer people generally do not look or manufacture reasons to exclude you from hiring.

And if you work for a company and you deliver exemplary work they will (or at least SHOULD) also make efforts to keep you there

Companies should know that they increasingly have to fight to keep their talent and they sure as hell have no problems brazenly poaching talent.

The idea that hiring somebody who has a fantastic skillset but might leave is a risk or waste of money is shaky logic....(I do acknowledge that shaky logic exists in the world though)

I err on the side of going after great opportunities rather than a track record of loyalty...

The thing is if you are prudent about the opportunities you are chasing you likely would have spent enough time at one of these places to deliver something tangible....