I'm at the point where i can't take Prayer serious..

humminbird

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Yet they say they pray to Jesus and say they get their prayers answered. You know Black Americans got Christianity from cacs right?
there are black people who go to church and say the same thing
theres a huge difference between the white church and black church
yeah i do but The biggest community for black Americans is the black church
prayers getting answered are never going to take the form of how you think that’s never how it works
do you believe in African gods? Are they answering your prayers
 

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I understand why people like fukk it and become an Athiest. :yeshrug:


When i was a young nikka in my innocence, pre-porn, i clasped my hands together, closed my eyes and prayed to God, Jesus, desperately asking for help for my chronic illness. and guess what... nothing happened.

you learn to accept your flaws but your faith goes out the window.

The only time i pray now is when i'm shook, that's the only time it feels genuine.

I left the church around 16 :yeshrug:



Tell me about times your prayers have been answered because mine haven't.






























This the only thing that makes me feel good :wow:

God/Jesus is not a genie to answer your wishes

Prayer is designed to commune/talk/get to know your creator

If he didnt change your condition it is for greater purpose that you may no fully understand

He's not here to make us rich and have no problems in life, your spirit cant grow like that.

Be thankful he's making your heart beat and flesh to still walk around with the spark of life in it...
 

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God is not a genie to answer your wishes

Prayer is designed to commune/talk/get to know your creator

If he didnt change your condition it is for greater purpose that you may no fully understand

He's not here to make us rich and have no problems in life, your spirit cant grow like that.
if there is no feedback, then how can i measure progress? I haven't got visions to see the growth of my spirit.
 

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if there is no feedback, then how can i measure progress? I haven't got visions to see the growth of my spirit.
:snoop:

Read scripture, dont go by visions, feedback is in the scripture. Might not be the feedback you're looking for. Your answer might just be to sit in your same situation for 10, 15, 20 years. It might come out of the blue...
 

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What about those older black folks that have “strong relationships” with god but struggle in so many ways their whole entire life?
Prayer ain't a 'get out of struggle free' card. The world is what it is. Untold numbers of people who faithfully believe in God have been murdered, suffered genocide, had struggles, etc. The apostles themselves were killed by the people or the government. I've dealt with horrific things in my own life. Things I begged God to prevent or take away and that I even spent time being furious with him for not doing. But ultimately its about relationship. Some things get fixed, some don't. I've seen some semi miraculous things and some things I don't know why they were allowed to happen. But the connection and relationship I have with God, imperfect as it often is, helps me when I'm going through things and even when I'm not.
 

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Prayer ain't a 'get out of struggle free' card. The world is what it is. Untold numbers of people who faithfully believe in God have been murdered, suffered genocide, had struggles, etc. The apostles themselves were killed by the people or the government. I've dealt with horrific things in my own life. Things I begged God to prevent or take away and that I even spent time being furious with him for not doing. But ultimately its about relationship. Some things get fixed, some don't. I've seen some semi miraculous things and some things I don't know why they were allowed to happen. But the connection and relationship I have with God, imperfect as it often is, helps me when I'm going through things and even when I'm not.
So, what you’re saying is things are always going to play out how they’re going to play out but you mentally psyche yourself out so that when good things happen it was because of god but when bad things happen it wasnt god that made it happen; but rather he will help get you out of that bad situation?

No disrespect either. I was raised in the church but as I got older there were just way too many things that made zero sense to me, regarding Christianity, and it pushed me away.
 

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So, what you’re saying is things are always going to play out how they’re going to play out but you mentally psyche yourself out so that when good things happen it was because of god but when bad things happen it wasnt god that made it happen; but rather he will help get you out of that bad situation?

No disrespect either. I was raised in the church but as I got older there were just way too many things that made zero sense to me, regarding Christianity, and it pushed me away.
No, thats not what I am saying. I actually said literally none of that lol. I'm saying we live in a fallen world full of people making their own choices and those choices affect us. Prayer is not about having a wishmaker available to me. It is about connecting with God and building a relationship with him so that whatever happens in my life, I'm walking through it with God. Do I question God at times? Course I do. Do I always get an answer I want? No. But I do always get to connect with my creator and that's why prayer is important first and foremost. And the thing is the church is supposed to be a place for likeminded folks to get together, its not supposed to be a replacement for actual relationship with God himself which is the actual main point of Christianity, a personal relationship with God.
 

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there are black people who go to church and say the same thing
theres a huge difference between the white church and black church
yeah i do but The biggest community for black Americans is the black church
prayers getting answered are never going to take the form of how you think that’s never how it works
do you believe in African gods? Are they answering your prayers
Yeah there may be differences but they all are still Christian, praying to the same God. If that God is real then he's clearly answering certain prayers over others.
 

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Yeah there may be differences but they all are still Christian, praying to the same God. If that God is real then he's clearly answering certain prayers over others.
god doesn't play favorites and he's definitely not answering to cacs more
you could say the flood in Florida was god responding to the racism displayed by cacs over there
the texas winter storm too
but I'm not here to convert. you can believe what you want :manny:
 

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god doesn't play favorites and he's definitely not answering to cacs more
you could say the flood in Florida was god responding to the racism displayed by cacs over there
the texas winter storm too
but I'm not here to convert. you can believe what you want :manny:
Black people live in those areas too. The omnipotent, omnipresent, omnescient being could not have come up with a better way to punish racist White people without harming Black people too? I know my limited in power, knowledge, and singular location self could come up with something vastly superior to what is attributed to an All Mighty God.
 

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Black people live in those areas too. The omnipotent, omnipresent, omnescient being could not have come up with a better way to punish racist White people without harming Black people too? I know my limited in power, knowledge, and singular location self could come up with something vastly superior to what is attributed to an All Mighty God.
that's how it was in the bible too
and no you couldn't :dead:
 

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You aren't the only person; If something doesn't happen within a month or a year or even 20 years people just forsake God. Remaining faithful even when things go bad is a real test of your character.

My prayers are answered everyday when I wake up and see my family. My prayers are answered when I have food to eat and clothes to wear. The simple things in life to be honest. If you find prayer useless then why wait until something bad happens to use it? There's going to come a time when God won't hear you at all. 😟 and people won't be able to handle that.
 

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that's how it was in the bible too
and no you couldn't :dead:
Yes, I could and you could too.

It was humans who said, "slavery is wrong." Your 'deity' actually was fine with it.

It was humans that came up with lightning rods to protect buildings, your god's followers were against it because it thwarted God's supposed righteous punishments. It was why at a certain point in history churches were going down in flames from lightning, while Whore houses were perfectly safe.

It was humans that figured out what caused plagues. Your predecessor thought praying in a church would protect them. Instead, it helped spread the plague even faster.

Your religious doctrines are locked in the general morality of the time period that it was created, allowing for all sorts of dehumanizing ideologies to continue and flourish because many adherents use religious doctrine to support their objectively evil and self-serving positions. All they have to say is God = Good, so anything God is fine with must be Good. The Bible, Koran, Torah, etc says so, so it must be true.
 
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