I'm Sorry - Randy Moss is the best I have ever seen, and it's not close.

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a discerning explanation as to why Randy gets a negative narrative, relatively speaking (compared to his peers) :

objectively they couldn't question his numbers, so they questioned his desire, determination, work-ethic and "heart" (racist, dog-whistle reasoning cast negative light on his character). let me explain...

Randy doesn't kowtow to anybody. sometimes this is misconstrued as disrespectful or threatening. he won't budge an inch.

he would not say what someone may have wanted him to say or what people expected him to say. he didn't politic. this rubbed many the wrong way.

in terms of public perception, his biggest adversary weren't his opponents on the field, but the Media off of it.

in MN, there is an old-guard of Media writers that try to influence. they try to get you to conform and adhere to the mindset of the dominant culture in MN, very passive aggressively (Randy could see-through this and would not give them the satisfaction).

when he was expected to say certain things and behave a certain way that was comforting and easy to digest accordingly to that of a certain culture, he wouldn't do it.

it was hard for him to sugar-coat a message and wear a plastic-face, because it wasn't real to him. if he couldn't express how he really felt or thought, he'd rather not say a thing and let you think what you want to think and write what you want to write.

he has a mercurial personality and a distrust of those in authority (people trying to limit him in any capacity, especially when it comes to what he thinks, feels or the manner in which he does things).

if a media member wanted him to speak the obligatory cliché ridden answer, he wouldn't. not because he didn't feel a particular way about it, but because they were expecting him to say a particular thing (such a thing he took as a demand to which he was unwilling to abide).

there is a nuance and distinction there that people miss. he will say and do what he wants if or when he wants, not say or do what you expect. he's his own man.

when asked if Cris Carter helped him to play at a certain level, he wouldn't say what you wanted to hear - he'll tell you that he [Randy] will play when he wants to play (meaning he doesn't reach a certain level because of Carter - he reaches levels because of his own doing and of his own accord).

if his words are taken a certain way in which it was not intended, that's not his problem. if it were, then he would be giving way to how 'you' think. if he conforms his answer to what you wanted to hear, then he has given you authority over his own thoughts.

he would only do something if he wanted to do something, nothing more, nothing less. people had a major problem with a young, black male from the south with this mentality.

i'll repeat:

objectively they couldn't question his numbers, so they questioned his desire, determination, work-ethic and "heart" (racist, dog-whistle reasoning cast negative light on his character).

when asked if he smoked weed, he wouldn't even in this instance say, no. he'd say, yeah, once in a blue-moon - the NFL knows what i do or don't do.

if asked how he liked the food at a certain restaurant that his teammate Matt Birk (his nemesis on the team) made a tradition to dine at, he would say, i wouldn't feed my dog the food. you don't like the answer? he knows you won't like the answer.

there was some truth to the explanation Brad Childress gave upon his decision to trade Moss:

Randy was a "programmatic non-fit".

he didn't align, adhere or get in with the "program", he never did. i think that's the point.

all imho, of course.

:cheers:

Peace!
 

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He was still 40. And let's not act like Rice ain't help Gannon win that MVP. Gannon was not as good as u think

Gannon wasn't as good as I think he was, but threw for 4600 yards and won the MVP that season.



you thought you had something bringing up Jerry at 40, like he didn't have an MVP throwing him the ball and breaking passing records in the process.

try again breh
 

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Moss is the most talented WR to ever play the game...that's obvious. However, his career and actual PLAY at certain times is another story...

But nobody had the talent that Moss had. Nobody.
 
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Gannon wasn't as good as I think he was, but threw for 4600 yards and won the MVP that season.


you thought you had something bringing up Jerry at 40, like he didn't have an MVP throwing him the ball and breaking passing records in the process.

try again breh

The lack of credit you give Jerry at 40 is :mindblown: Name another 40 year old that was doing what he was doing. Gannon was a career backup that had 3 or 4 good seasons. In Oakland . :camby:Gannon career wise was mediocre . Playing with Tim Brown and Jerry Rice gave him his best seasons
 

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The lack of credit you give Jerry at 40 is :mindblown: Name another 40 year old that was doing what he was doing. Gannon was a career backup that had 3 or 4 good seasons. In Oakland . :camby:Gannon career wise was mediocre . Playing with Tim Brown and Jerry Rice gave him his best seasons


You're kind of proving my point tho breh....cause Jerry always had the best QB's throwing to him..... in fact, the "worst" QB he ever had was Matt Hasselbeck, and he was a 3 time pro bowler.

Jerry Rice wasn't exactly turning trash QB's into Pro Bowl level players..... like Randy Moss did in Minnesota :sas1:
 

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Randy Moss... the dude that didnt even try to catch a ball in the Super Bowl, a ball that was intercepted...In his last chance to ever win a ring.b Dude was an alligator armed fakkit.


 

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Randy Moss... the dude that didnt even try to catch a ball in the Super Bowl, a ball that was intercepted...In his last chance to ever win a ring.b Dude was an alligator armed fakkit.




That ball wasn't even that close to Randy, just because he didn't dive for it like some slow footed try hard scrub would have (and still would't have gotten it) doesn't mean you have to stoop so low as to shyt on a receiver who literally changed the game.
 

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You're kind of proving my point tho breh....cause Jerry always had the best QB's throwing to him..... in fact, the "worst" QB he ever had was Matt Hasselbeck, and he was a 3 time pro bowler.

Jerry Rice wasn't exactly turning trash QB's into Pro Bowl level players..... like Randy Moss did in Minnesota :sas1:

Thank you, all these Jerry supporters always skip past this shyt. Jerry had the best qb's out there, but Randy had mediocrity and just plain garbage, save for a couple years in NE. In those Oakland years, Randy was getting open quite often, but the bum ass qb Kerry Collins or whoever it was, couldn't even find him out there. Now you can say maybe the o-line wasn't blocking enough, but whatever it was, all a receiver can do is get open. If the ball doesn't come, you need to address the qb/line situation.
 

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That ball wasn't even that close to Randy, just because he didn't dive for it like some slow footed try hard scrub would have (and still would't have gotten it) doesn't mean you have to stoop so low as to shyt on a receiver who literally changed the game.
he didn't need to dive, it was a few feet over his head, and if he's athletic as u think he is, he would've had a chance.. just make an effort for it.
 

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Thank you, all these Jerry supporters always skip past this shyt. Jerry had the best qb's out there, but Randy had mediocrity and just plain garbage, save for a couple years in NE. In those Oakland years, Randy was getting open quite often, but the bum ass qb Kerry Collins or whoever it was, couldn't even find him out there. Now you can say maybe the o-line wasn't blocking enough, but whatever it was, all a receiver can do is get open. If the ball doesn't come, you need to address the qb/line situation.

We can bring up the fact that Randy has had such top tier QB's as
- Kerry Collins (twice :heh:)
- Jeff George
-Daunte Culpepper
- Aaron Brooks
- Vince Young
- Matt Cassel
- Brett Favre ( in his worst statistical season since becoming an NFL starter )
- Alex Smith

Not to mention, at every stop...outside of San Francisco and 2 seasons with the Vikings early in his career.... he had no real threat at running back to take the pressure off the passing game.


Jerry was lucky enough to have Shawn Alexander,Garrison Hearst,Ricky Waters,Roger Craig,Charlie Garner..... 2 HOF QB's, another QB that was a MVP..... and two separate HOF caliber WR's to play alongside him for a decade .


one could argue, that no single player has had more help offensively, than Jerry Rice.
 

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This argument is basically a emmit smith vs Barry sanders


emmitt smith himself will tell you that barry sanders is better.

How can Rice be considered the greatest football player ever, When he never played defense

so are you saying that theres no such thing as a goat football player?

if youre one of those guys, then i can dig it.

LT is the greatest football player ever & Yes 1 dimensional players can be considered to be the greatest.


which LT??
 

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emmitt smith himself will tell you that barry sanders is better.



so are you saying that theres no such thing as a goat football player?

if youre one of those guys, then i can dig it.




which LT??

There is no much thing as a goat football player
 
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