In an absolute stunner Josh Allen has been named MVP over Lamar Jackson despite not making All-pro first team (First time since 1987)
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I could see the award going either way, but I see a few reasons Allen won it.
-It's not an apples to apples comparison, but Lamar won it last year with not the strongest MVP year. His statistics were not that of your recent MVP winners. Obviously, this year is a bit different as Lamars numbers were incredible, but it opened up for the door for some voters to go with the, "Well, last year I voted for Lamar due to lack of weapons and talent, so I'm voting Allen this year". Not saying it's right ,but that's definitely what happened with some voters.
-It shouldn't impact voting, but there are definitely those that would rather see someone win their first MVP instead of their third.
-I'm sure people let his performances or perceived poor playoff performances influence their decisions.
-I honestly don't think Lamar has all of these "amazing" weapons in Flowers, Bateman, Andrews, Likley, etc, but adding Henry was clearly used against him or in a case to argue that Josh Allen had less to work with. For me, it's the same argument people would make about Purdy last year with him having Cmac. Granted, seasons are not apples to apples and their are differences, especially with the level Lamar played at this year, but that's obviously a big part of some voters decisions.
-I'm actually not shocked at the first-team all-pro vote for Lamar and the MVP for Allen, although I do find it somewhat idiotic. The argument is likely that Lamar had the "better" and more impressive season, but Allen was more "valuable". It is also an easier out for those that weren't going to vote for Lamar for MVP, but gave him the first-team all-pro selection instead.
-It's not an apples to apples comparison, but Lamar won it last year with not the strongest MVP year. His statistics were not that of your recent MVP winners. Obviously, this year is a bit different as Lamars numbers were incredible, but it opened up for the door for some voters to go with the, "Well, last year I voted for Lamar due to lack of weapons and talent, so I'm voting Allen this year". Not saying it's right ,but that's definitely what happened with some voters.
-It shouldn't impact voting, but there are definitely those that would rather see someone win their first MVP instead of their third.
-I'm sure people let his performances or perceived poor playoff performances influence their decisions.
-I honestly don't think Lamar has all of these "amazing" weapons in Flowers, Bateman, Andrews, Likley, etc, but adding Henry was clearly used against him or in a case to argue that Josh Allen had less to work with. For me, it's the same argument people would make about Purdy last year with him having Cmac. Granted, seasons are not apples to apples and their are differences, especially with the level Lamar played at this year, but that's obviously a big part of some voters decisions.
-I'm actually not shocked at the first-team all-pro vote for Lamar and the MVP for Allen, although I do find it somewhat idiotic. The argument is likely that Lamar had the "better" and more impressive season, but Allen was more "valuable". It is also an easier out for those that weren't going to vote for Lamar for MVP, but gave him the first-team all-pro selection instead.
Someone has a top 10 season of all time last year and didn’t win it? Theres no precedence for this.
If it’s team record give it to Saquon, Goff, Mahomes, Or Sam Darnold.
That’s what I’m asking because Lamar also benefitted from the Ravens record last season even with not having the strongest numbers.
Allen benefitted from the two biggest wins of the season and again we wouldn’t be having this discussion now if the Ravens had a better record than the Bills.
HNIC973
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He can beat Lamar in the playoffs 2-0 vs him
Lamar led his team to the best record in the league last year with no standout candidates.
Josh led his team to the 5th best record in the league while someone was having a top 10 season of all time and various other QBs blew Josh out the water statistically.
Josh Allen didn’t even have the best record this year, so the but but Lamar last year doesn’t work here.
4 other teams had better records than the bills in the nfl for the 2024 season and other Qbs blew him away statistically.
4 other teams had better records than the bills in the nfl for the 2024 season and other Qbs blew him away statistically.
That team had eight all pro's last season outside of Lamar. That has to be acknowledged as well.
That has never mattered in nfl history as Lamar wouldn’t have won mvp in 2019 with the ravens breaking a pro bowl record.
This is a lifetime achievement award mvp anyway you slice it
VegetasHairline
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MVP is a regular season award, not a playoff award.He can beat Lamar in the playoffs 2-0 vs him
Team record has never overridden someone having a clear cut statistical case if they have a winning record. More often than not, the person with crazy stats is on a winning team and it’s not even a topic of discussion. You’re being disingenuous to try to justify making a statement just for the sake of having something to say and now you’re stuck in a corner without a single historical data point to support you. No one gives a shyt if someone is on a team that is 15-1 if they have only good numbers. It has never happened.
Adrian Peterson won MVP over Peyton Manning with a worse record because his season was statistically insane. The Lions had the top record all year and no one was rating Goff over Allen, Burrow, Lamar or Saquon. There’s no reason to reach back into some make believe history when we have right this year that says otherwise. So throw that record argument out the window when it’s a difference of one game and Lamar won the head to head match up in the regular season.
threattonature
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What I don't get, if winning is such a factor how is Allen so separated from Mahomes. Net yardage wise there is less than a 100 yard difference. Mahomes only had 3 more turnovers. Allen had a big TD advantage mainly due to all the rushing TDs.
Mahomes top 2 WRs played a combine 6 games. Lost his RB1 3 games in and only had him for 7 total games half of which he was a shell of himself. Got Juju then lost him for multiple games. Navigated bad O-line play all year mainly with a revolving door at LT. Allen at least had Cook who was a top 5 back on the season and a better performing O-line. So if we're going the narrative route with Allen then IMO Mahomes has a better case in that regard.
Mahomes top 2 WRs played a combine 6 games. Lost his RB1 3 games in and only had him for 7 total games half of which he was a shell of himself. Got Juju then lost him for multiple games. Navigated bad O-line play all year mainly with a revolving door at LT. Allen at least had Cook who was a top 5 back on the season and a better performing O-line. So if we're going the narrative route with Allen then IMO Mahomes has a better case in that regard.
thelonious21
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then please tell me who should’ve won MVP last year
I’ll fukking wait
CMC, Dak or Josh
ALL HAD BETTER STATISTICAL SEASONS!!!
but guess what.. he did more with less .. and he won it..
NOW yall want to stat watch because the player YALL LIKE MORE AND IDENTIFY WITH didn't win.. now its a fukking travesty ..stop it 5
Bryan Danielson
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now yall know what it feels to be robbed
Lamar didnt deserve it last year….
But he definitely deserved it this year
