In an absolute stunner Josh Allen has been named MVP over Lamar Jackson despite not making All-pro first team (First time since 1987)

[thelonious21]

That goes to the point of Lamar’s defense being ass and to the point of these idiots not realizing that’s why Lamar didn’t have as gaudy numbers last year - he was sitting out quarters. But he cooked in every big game when he didn’t. But the gap in their numbers this year is too large for that to be a serious talking point.

I’m seriously sitting here laughing at the straight up stupid shyt the three people advocating for Josh are saying in here. Like they have to shut the fukk up forever about anything NFL related about the Bills and I’m a damn indifferent Pats fan. But the way they’re insulting everyone my intelligence is maddening. They’re throwing out all this extra shyt that has never mattered precisely because there is no case by conventional criteria. It is an irregular win and any argument to justify has to start by acknowledging that and explaining why it should happen. Everyone advocating for Lamar last year did that, these dudes can’t because there’s no case.

You have to completely eliminate the fact that Lamar exists to make the case. Like take those Lamar rushing yards and make them passing yards and then give 11-5 Peyton Manning 5000 passing yards and 41 touchdowns and 4 INTs. We are not seriously entertaining the idea of Allen as MVP at all.

Dude says. He's an indifferent PATS FAN ..

Have several seats

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

That goes to the point of Lamar’s defense being ass and to the point of these idiots not realizing that’s why Lamar didn’t have as gaudy numbers last year - he was sitting out quarters. But he cooked in every big game when he didn’t. But the gap in their numbers this year is too large for that to be a serious talking point.

I’m seriously sitting here laughing at the straight up stupid shyt the three people advocating for Josh are saying in here. Like they have to shut the fukk up forever about anything NFL related about the Bills and I’m a damn indifferent Pats fan. But the way they’re insulting everyone my intelligence is maddening. They’re throwing out all this extra shyt that has never mattered precisely because there is no case by conventional criteria. It is an irregular win and any argument to justify has to start by acknowledging that and explaining why it should happen. Everyone advocating for Lamar last year did that, these dudes can’t because there’s no case.

You have to completely eliminate the fact that Lamar exists to make the case. Like take those Lamar rushing yards and make them passing yards and then give 11-5 Peyton Manning 5000 passing yards and 41 touchdowns and 4 INTs. We are not seriously entertaining the idea of Allen as MVP at all.

This is one of the big takeaways here. People became so dishonest with this award race that they seriously started to argue that Lamar should be disqualified because he was getting to hand it off to Derrick Henry while ignoring the ravens being dead last in the league in money spent at receiver. He’s the only quarterback I’ve ever seen where his critics essentially argue he shouldn’t be eligible for any awards if his teammates are good.

 

[thelonious21]

I don’t have a dog in it. You and @HNIC973 @Loose are on Josh’s dikk and are happy he won. That’s fine. I actually like Josh and I’m a Pats fan of all things. I rooted for the Bills against the Chiefs. I argued earlier this year that Josh is better than MVP Cam Newton. I don’t care that he has one on his resume. It’s all good. You guys saying dumb shyt is actually my issue. You’re turning neutral observers into Josh haters with your ahistorical nonsense. Move around b. My last post on it.

Big mad

All i see is

Lol

 

[calh45]

Top receiving wide receiver's

Ja'Marr Chase 22nd
Justin Jefferson 31st
Brian Thomas Jr. 34th
Drake London 4th
Amon-Ra St. Brown 37th
Jerry Jeudy 37th
Malik nabers 2nd
Ceedee lamb 14th
Zay flowers 9th

Lamar has 4 in the top 40


Josh allens weapons are the worst in the league when it comes to getting open , i do agree yac is important but you're consistently throwing into tight coverage which can lead to turnovers or stops.

Coleman 112th
Curtis Samuel 114th
Shakir 102
Kincaid 96

You're still doing it wrong.

Stop and ask yourself why Lamar would have 4 WRs in the top 40? Is it because the Ravens have overwhelming WR talent? Or is it because Lamar's ability to play off schedule gives them more time to get open? Like I said, it's more of an indicator of QB play OR play design than WR ability or production.

If you're looking at a stat for WRs and neither Justin Jefferson OR Ja'Marr Chase aren't in the top 20 it's a shyt stat for judging WRs.

We ain't gotta keep going. You'll keep being stuck in your argument, but there is no way shape or form that the Buffalo roster is Pats or Giants level in terms of talent or playing ability.

 

[Loose]

You're still doing it wrong.

Stop and ask yourself why Lamar would have 4 WRs in the top 40? Is it because the Ravens have overwhelming WR talent? Or is it because Lamar's ability to play off schedule gives them more time to get open? Like I said, it's more of an indicator of QB play OR play design than WR ability or production.

If you're looking at a stat for WRs and neither Justin Jefferson OR Ja'Marr Chase aren't in the top 20 it's a shyt stat for judging WRs.

We ain't gotta keep going. You'll keep being stuck in your argument, but there is no way shape or form that the Buffalo roster is Pats or Giants level in terms of talent or playing ability.

You can look at the last 5 years ravens stats including last season , the actual answers you're looking for is the threat of derrick Henry forces defense to play at the LOS. Derrick Henry threat in the backfield alone has turned the ravens wrs from pretty mediocre last season at getting open to top of the line when it comes to separation. Thus is why the derrick Henry/Lamar tandem is rightfully called the best in the league and is additionally why Josh allen is MVP

 

[KidJSoul]

And part of Allen's stats advantage was that he played an extra game cause Baltimore had wrapped up the 1 seed early. Add in that Lamar left 5 games early mostly due to having games wrapped up early.

This applied to Allen to this year too

the bills clinched their spot so Allen sat the last game, and he sat multiple 4th quarters

he was 26 back in 2020 aka in his prime

its also the last year he had 5 ypc before playing with Lamar and averaging a career high 6 ypc

and explain how Henry helped Lamar when hes on the sideline 90% of the time when the Ravens are passing

go look up Lamars stats when Henry is on the sideline

Lamars jump in numbers had more to do with being in the 2nd year of Mokens offense and Bateman finally having a healthy season

this was the first year of his career he had legit receiving weapons and now somehow thats an excuse not to give him MVP

never heard this excuse when Peyton was winning multiple MVPs with Edgerrin James,Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne,Dallas Clark,etc

I don't know about 90% but Henry being there changes team's gameplans.

And the big thing you're ignoring is that when Henry rushed for under 90 yards, the ravens had a LOSING record. He was arguably an MVP candidate himself.


You're last paragraph - a few people did actually say this a little bit - it's why Steve McNair split the MVP with him in 03 despite Peyton having more TDs, Yards, and wins.

And it's why many feel Peyton didn't deserve all 5 of his MVPs

 

[Blessings]

Dan getting destroyed

Dominique bodied it...The semantics negatively impacts black folks in corporate, blue-collar, education, and NFL

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

This applied to Allen to this year too

the bills clinched their spot so Allen sat the last game, and he sat multiple 4th quarters

I don't know about 90% but Henry being there changes team's gameplans.

And the big thing you're ignoring is that when Henry rushed for under 90 yards, the ravens had a LOSING record. He was arguably an MVP candidate himself.


You're last paragraph - a few people did actually say this a little bit - it's why Steve McNair split the MVP with him in 03 despite Peyton having more TDs, Yards, and wins.

And it's why many feel Peyton didn't deserve all 5 of his MVPs

The games where Henry didn’t run for 90 yards were games where the defense was bad and they had to throw a lot late. The Steelers loss is the only one where the defense gave up less than 26 points. You can’t stick with the run when you’re behind and it’s getting late.

 

[HNIC973]

I don’t have a dog in it. You and @HNIC973 @Loose are on Josh’s dikk and are happy he won. That’s fine. I actually like Josh and I’m a Pats fan of all things. I rooted for the Bills against the Chiefs. I argued earlier this year that Josh is better than MVP Cam Newton. I don’t care that he has one on his resume. It’s all good. You guys saying dumb shyt is actually my issue. You’re turning neutral observers into Josh haters with your ahistorical nonsense. Move around b. My last post on it.

you can say the same thing about the Lamar dikkriders on here be consistent . You got nikkaz on here acting the Ravens & Bills rosters are the same but whatever. Lamar has to play superhuman but he had a 2K RB 1k WR 2 top 10 TE's one led the league in TDs but we're the dikkriders?

 

[Blessings]

"Football character"...

 

[VegetasHairline]

Give these Bills fans a break. It's not like they're used to winning anything.

 

[Blessings]

The games where Henry didn’t run for 90 yards were games where the defense was bad and they had to throw a lot late. The Steelers loss is the only one where the defense gave up less than 26 points. You can’t stick with the run when you’re behind and it’s getting late.

You're having a convo with someone who doesn't understand
-Game flow and game script in the NFL
-Don't watch the actual game
-Don't understand how playing behind the sticks impacts the run game

In 2025, I'm not teaching nikka NFL 101

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

You're having a convo with someone who doesn't understand
-Game flow and game script in the NFL
-Don't watch the actual game
-Don't understand how playing behind the sticks impacts the run game

In 2025, I'm not teaching nikka NFL 101

The offensive line was a huge reason why they couldn’t run as much all year too. So many penalties and so much bad pass protection put them in down and distance situations where they couldn’t afford to try running the ball. 3 offensive linemen among the 10 most flagged players all year.

 

[KidJSoul]

The games where Henry didn’t run for 90 yards were games where the defense was bad and they had to throw a lot late. The Steelers loss is the only one where the defense gave up less than 26 points. You can’t stick with the run when you’re behind and it’s getting late.

Okay? And?

They were 2-6 in those games. When Lamar threw over 30 times they had a losing record.

You're having a convo with someone who doesn't understand
-Game flow and game script in the NFL
-Don't watch the actual game
-Don't understand how playing behind the sticks impacts the run game

In 2025, I'm not teaching nikka NFL 101

fukk off. There several games this year where Derrick Henry got the ravens offense going more than Lamar did.

 

[Blessings]

The offensive line was a huge reason why they couldn’t run as much all year too. So many penalties and so much bad pass protection put them in down and distance situations where they couldn’t afford to try running the ball. 3 offensive linemen among the 10 most flagged players all year.

I watched those games, you're telling me stuff I know.

I'm saying, I'm not having debates with dudes who
a)don't watch the games
b)don't understand game script/flow


Dudes watch highlights, a lil redzone, read the boxscore...then start talking crazy