In Playoffs, Jordan is a career 50.0% on game-winning/tying shots w/in 24 sec (Link)

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And just for reference and fairness, that exact same year, Kobe shot 9-26 and 12-31 against Ron Artest, meanwhile old ass Jordan was -

10-21
6-15
14-26
11-25


Superior defenders don't mean anything to Jordan

kobe was how old?

and how old was jordan?

see there goes that apples and oranges comparison.

MJay at 38 was smarter then any SG/SF in the nba PERIOD. including kobe.


kobe had to learn his peers first, learn the game first. then school his competition. and again
STOP Bringing up FG% if you aint going to show how many 3's were shot.

Jordan vs Metta(aka RON ARTEST)- jordan shot 40%.. thank you very much.
Michael Jordan vs. Metta World Peace | Basketball-Reference.com

Kobe vs a prime metta(aka ron artest).. Kobe shoots 48% versus dude for his entire career.
Kobe Bryant vs. Metta World Peace | | Basketball-Reference.com

Jordan vs Dumars (remember mike caught Joe in his prime and then outside of his prime)
Michael Jordan vs. Joe Dumars | Basketball-Reference.com
Jordan shooting 47% from the field vs what he called the toughest defender he had to deal with. mr 6'4.

so if kobe has a higher fg% vs Ron artest at 6'7. what do you think kobe would've done to dumars? haaa haaa

 

[Malta]

kobe was how old?

and how old was jordan?

see there goes that apples and oranges comparison.

MJay at 38 was smarter then any SG/SF in the nba PERIOD. including kobe.


kobe had to learn his peers first, learn the game first. then school his competition. and again
STOP Bringing up FG% if you aint going to show how many 3's were shot.

Jordan vs Metta(aka RON ARTEST)- jordan shot 40%.. thank you very much.
Michael Jordan vs. Metta World Peace | Basketball-Reference.com

Kobe vs a prime metta(aka ron artest).. Kobe shoots 48% versus dude for his entire career.
Kobe Bryant vs. Metta World Peace | | Basketball-Reference.com

Jordan vs Dumars (remember mike caught Joe in his prime and then outside of his prime)
Michael Jordan vs. Joe Dumars | Basketball-Reference.com
Jordan shooting 47% from the field vs what he called the toughest defender he had to deal with. mr 6'4.

so if kobe has a higher fg% vs Ron artest at 6'7. what do you think kobe would've done to dumars? haaa haaa

 

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Michael Jordan 2003: Age 40, Abuses Ron Artest & Pacers - YouTube

If he can do that to Ron at 40, what do you think he'd do to him if he was 25


The funny thing lost in all of this "Who was Jordan defended by" shyt is that Jordan in his prime would be the most athletic SG in the league today BY FAR.

do what to ron? MISS? can yall not count? the dude's shooting percentage was awful for a non 3 pt shooter(kobe shoots 3's). you just exposed yourself and the rest of these mj is god fans. as long as the guy puts up the numbers you dont care what his fg% looks like in context with every thing else. UNLESS its kobe. now then we have to go nitpicking fg%'s. LOL. yall are the worse. and ron was like 3 years into the nba. basically still a kid rookie. hilarious.

 

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Did Jordan steal your jeans or something @rapbeats?

 

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This idiot basically says that "tall with long wingspan = great D"
The thought of Tay Prince shutting down a 25 year-old MJ...

another one exposed. yall gone learn on the coli, rapbeats dont play. lets read.

lets look at Mr prince's draft info

Detroit’s best and most versatile perimeter defender. Perhaps the second most important player on the team defensively behind Rasheed Wallace. Draws the toughest perimeter assignment in most cases. Length allows him to contest absolutely every shot. Wingspan allows him play off his man and still get a hand up on everything. Deceptive quickness helps him deny penetration. Looks impossible to drive around when he gets in his defensive stance. Deflects a lot of passes. Can guard three positions. Not an ideal post defender due to his size, but he fights for position. Standing reach makes him tough to shoot over when he goes straight up. Decent rebounder. Great shot blocker who prefers to try and negate fast breaks and easy layups. Not a risk taker in the half court. Makes an impact on his physical assets alone.

I rest my case your honor.

 

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there ya go. lets resort to the funny gifs. cause there is no combat to the Statistical proof i just posted. again.. Your Honor. I ..REST MY CASE.

 

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Did Jordan steal your jeans or something @rapbeats?

not at all. i was a mj fan. but i saw him play. i didnt HEAR about it from everyone else growing up worshipping the IDEA of who he was. i saw who he was.i know what he did, how he did it, and who he did it against. but i've also seen KOBE. MJ 2.0 the remix. the NExt Gen version. xbox to xbox 360. ps2 to ps3. the "what if MJ had a real 3 ball early in his career what would happen?"

well you were looking at him with a #8 jersey on then a #24 jersey.

 

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Rodman, who's 6'7, got a lot of assignments on Jordan, it wasn't just Dumars bruh.

Also, in Cleveland, during the second game winning shot in 93, it was Gerald Wilkins D'ing up on him, not Elho. Wilkins was considered a solid perimeter stopper and he was 6'7

And finally, in the 2002-2003 NBA season, Kobe at age 24, averaged 30.0 ppg and shot 45%

In that same season, against the same defenses in the league Kobe faced, Jordan at age 39 (15 years older than Kobe), averaged 20.0 ppg and shot 44.5% --- You mean to tell me Jordan is not gonna feast against those very same Zone defenses at age 24, with a better shooting percentage?

Last season at age 33, Kobe averaged 26.ppg shooting 43% from the field.
Jordan at the same exact age averaged 29ppg shooting 48% from the field


When Jordan was 33 (96-97), Kobe at age 18 shot 41% from the field - To say Kobe hadn't come into his own, is disingenuous, when you take into account that he's a career 45% shooter, and if "Height" and sophisticated defenses is the reason Kobe didn't shoot as well as Jordan, then explain Wade at 6'4 shooting 49% from the field???


You haven't addressed Jordan at age 38 torching the Eastern Conference Champs in the low post, Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson and Aaron Williams, WHO ALL HAD LONGER WINGSPANS than Jordan...explain that please? Cause If he was able to do that at age 38, what can we infer he would have done at age 24? I'm waiting....

 

[Malta]

there ya go. lets resort to the funny gifs. cause there is no combat to the Statistical proof i just posted. again.. Your Honor. I ..REST MY CASE.

No, I posted the gif cause you posted a whole bunch of nothing

We have a old ass version of Jordan actually playing against a dude you nikkas have been championing as somebody he would struggle with, and he was giving Ron that Sandusky treatment despite having no athleticism left.

 

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Guess what brehs.


That's 7 wins

 

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No, I posted the gif cause you posted a whole bunch of nothing

We have a old ass version of Jordan actually playing against a dude you nikkas have been championing as somebody he would struggle with, and he was giving Ron that Sandusky treatment despite having no athleticism left.

I agree with you, but let's forget Ron for a second. He hasn't addressed Jordan torching the Nets front line for 43...against players who were 6'7, 6'9 and 6'9 respectively. In the prime of their careers, unlike Jordan.

Or a 39 year Jordan scoring 51 (in the 2002-2003 Season) against a front line that included PJ Brown at 6'11, Elden Campell at 6'11 and Lee Nailon at 6'9. Jamal Magliore at 6'11 also played 20 minutes and Stacey Augmon at 6'6 also played 19 minutes.

 

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No, I posted the gif cause you posted a whole bunch of nothing

We have a old ass version of Jordan actually playing against a dude you nikkas have been championing as somebody he would struggle with, and he was giving Ron that Sandusky treatment despite having no athleticism left.

Then lies and says Ron Artest is Dwyane Wade's height...and call it "statistical proof"

 

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Rodman, who's 6'7, got a lot of assignments on Jordan, it wasn't just Dumars bruh.

Also, in Cleveland, during the second game winning shot in 93, it was Gerald Wilkins D'ing up on him, not Elho. Wilkins was considered a solid perimeter stopper and he was 6'7

And finally, in the 2002-2003 NBA season, Kobe at age 24, averaged 30.0 ppg and shot 45%

In that same season, against the same defenses in the league Kobe faced, Jordan at age 39 (15 years older than Kobe), averaged 20.0 ppg and shot 44.5% --- You mean to tell me Jordan is not gonna feast against those very same Zone defenses at age 24, with a better shooting percentage?

Last season at age 33, Kobe averaged 26.ppg shooting 43% from the field.
Jordan at the same exact age averaged 29ppg shooting 48% from the field


When Jordan was 33 (96-97), Kobe at age 18 shot 41% from the field - To say Kobe hadn't come into his own, is disingenuous, when you take into account that he's a career 45% shooter, and if "Height" and sophisticated defenses is the reason Kobe didn't shoot as well as Jordan, then explain Wade at 6'4 shooting 49% from the field???


You haven't addressed Jordan at age 38 torching the Eastern Conference Champs in the low post, Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson and Aaron Williams, WHO ALL HAD LONGER WINGSPANS than Jordan...explain that please? Cause If he was able to do that at age 38, what can we infer he would have done at age 24? I'm waiting....

stop it. MIKE Said out of his own mouth. JOe was the toughest defender for me. i didnt say it, Mike said it. i know dennis was up on him as well. who is a great defender if you ask me. but he's best for bigmen. not for shooting guards. but even with that. we've gone over this before in other threads. thats why john salley said what he said not long ago talking about mike is very very good. but they were not afraid of him. because they already knew "push him to his left. mike aint got no left." the proof was him dropping those years from close to 53% shooting vs the rest of the nba to 45% vs detroit

Michael Jordan vs Detroit (back 2 back championship years, playoffs included) | Basketball-Reference.com
it again proves my point.

how do you think kobe felt, being guarded by guess who detroit when they stole that ship. when it was Prince + Rasheed, Plus RIp, Plus billups on the reach. ridiculous.

Rip was kobe's height, and semi athletic, billups was shorter but strong and solid defender. Prince had the alien wingspan 7+ at 6'9. with good athletic ability. in an area where zones are legal. and kobe was getting no love from the refs.

if i put kobe back in time vs that old detroit team. he would struggle. but not like mike. because back then MIKE DIDNT/REFUSED TO?WOULDNT SHOOT. i use to yell at the TV "shoot it mike ,shoot it." that dude was not a shooter back then like that. and they knew it. they exposed him. then he learned and came back a super monster. kobe walked into the nba knowing what MJ already knew about getting a jumper. he learned it from watching jordan himself. mike is kobe's father on the court. no one is denying that. But Luke is using the force. kobe is mj 2.0 the version with a nice jumper and better handles(pre hand/finger issues).

 

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No, I posted the gif cause you posted a whole bunch of nothing

We have a old ass version of Jordan actually playing against a dude you nikkas have been championing as somebody he would struggle with, and he was giving Ron that Sandusky treatment despite having no athleticism left.

wrong i said. MIKE vs all those aliens night in and night out would have a LOWER FG%. i didnt say struggle. if i did, i was wrong. kobe didnt STRUGGLE vs these dudes either. he still beat em. still figured them out and started killing them everytime he saw them. but the reality is what it is. you cant just shoot over them and walk around them like you could dumars and ehlo. thats a fact.

if kobe had that luxury his fg% would be a lot higher and so would his 3pt%. which would make his TRUE fg% much higher then it currently is. thats my entire point.

no where did i say mike would not have still punk those dudes. he would have. i mean as much as i champion vince. vince was still lazy at times. no one had the passion like mike even in this era except for.................KOBE.

 

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wrong i said. MIKE vs all those aliens night in and night out would have a LOWER FG%. i didnt say struggle. if i did, i was wrong. kobe didnt STRUGGLE vs these dudes either. he still beat em. still figured them out and started killing them everytime he saw them. but the reality is what it is. you cant just shoot over them and walk around them like you could dumars and ehlo. thats a fact.

if kobe had that luxury his fg% would be a lot higher and so would his 3pt%. which would make his TRUE fg% much higher then it currently is. thats my entire point.

no where did i say mike would not have still punk those dudes. he would have. i mean as much as i champion vince. vince was still lazy at times. no one had the passion like mike even in this era except for.................KOBE.

What is your excuse for Dwyane Wade having a higher FG% than Kobe? He has played against all these great defenders, he's not as athletic as prime MJ, and he doesn't have his mid-range shot either. So, why does he shoot such a high %