In Playoffs, Jordan is a career 50.0% on game-winning/tying shots w/in 24 sec (Link)

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45% AS A 40 YEAR OLD PERIMETER PLAYER IN THE NBA?
ARE YOU A RETARD OR A fakkit?


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FOR ONE , he was averaging 30 points anymore. the more shots you take the more chances you have to miss shots. look at his 3pt%. he sucked at 3's. and wasnt going to take more then 1 or so a game. that also inflates your fg%. if another guy can shoot the 3. that will deflate his overall fg% but its worth 1 more point then a 2 pt shot. thats why you have to go to TRUE FG%. shooting no threes at all. and you're at 45% is not the same as if youre there shooting 2 to 3 threes per game and hitting 33% 3pt or better.

like i said. the less athleticism mj had, and the more athletic guys his height, size started to come into the nba. the worse mj's fg% would've been. thats a young mj or an old one. its simple. you cant make as many shots shooting over durant as you can shooting over dumars at 6'4. its real simple. the reality is if he would've had to play more guys like himself. he would've stills cored like a nut but done so at a lower fg%.

 

[boskey]

lol I love that "The NBA is different now breh. Jordan played against short white bums" argument.

As if MJ and Kobe weren't in the league at the same time. Like Mike wasnt still dominant in 96,97 and 98 (while Kobe didn't even start) Like he didn't come back and ball out as an old man.

DOZENS of players played against both MJ and Kobe. They are barely a generation apart

Thats an argument that literally got pulled out of someones ass.

 

[YBE]

What about Jordan, at age 38, dropping 25, 5 and 5 in his first year with the Wizards up until the All-Star break? He had to fall back cause of injury? How about Jordan dropping 43 point points as a 38 year old? Or scoring 51 points in 2002 a month before he was to turn 39? Is 2002 modern enough for you?

During the 2002-2003 season, in his last 30 games Jordan was 40 years old....he became the only 40 yr old player to ever score 20 ppg, the only 40 year old player ever to score 40 or more points in a game. He was the oldest scoring champion ever at age 35 (1998). He was the oldest to score 50 or more points at age 38. If Jordan was able to do this as a 40 year old on the Wizards, what in the fukking world makes you think he wouldn't shyt on this current league (where you can no longer touch the perimeter player) at age 25??!!!!

Oh and Kobe was shooting three airballs in the playoffs, with the whiteboys John Stockton and Jeff Hornacek D'ing up on him. While Jordan was winning titles against those very same players. The fact that Kobe was 18, shouldn't matter against old unathletic white guys like Stockton and Hornacek should it?

I'll do you one better, I'm going to compile you a list of who Kobe shot 7/25 against in the playoffs, so we can all see who these world star players are.



Old man Jordan torching Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson and Aaron Williams for 43 points, remember, Jordan was a low post player on the Wizards and yet he still dropped 40+ on players who were all taller than him. The Nets were the Eastern Conference champs two years in a row during that time.

02/21/2003 NBA Box Score at was - basketballreference.com

You missed his point entirely

If you want to bring up the Wizards years, Jordan fg% was 42% & 45%.

 

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YOURE THE ONLY KOBE STAN STUPID ENOUGH TO TRY DISCREDIT JORDAN IN THIS THREAD.

THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU.
shyt IS A BORDERLINE SICKNESS.


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no it says alot about the fact that unlike most people on either side i come with facts and reality. i dont come with what i've heard about (JORDAN) i saw it with my own eyes. got the stats to measure. not just his stats but who he put those numbers on, how he did it etc. vs kb schooling his peers that were all around his height and taller, all around his athletic ability or more so. in zone defense era.

i'll say it over and over again. it dont matter to me. it aint hard hitting game winners over 6'4 dudes, or running circles around 6'9 soft defenders that are completely unathletic.

but its hard as hell to hit a game winner over a 6'9 T.prince with a 7 foot+ wingspan. how about marion, how about tmac in his prime, how about a high jumping vince, how about Ak47, etc, etc.

 

[CHICAGO]

but its hard as hell to hit a game winner over a 6'9 T.prince with a 7 foot+ wingspan. how about marion, how about tmac in his prime, how about a high jumping vince, how about Ak47, etc, etc.

IF HE COULD DO IT AT 38, IM SURE HE WOULDA HAD NO PROBLEM DOING IT IN HIS PRIME.
YOU REALLY DONT REALIZE HOW GREAT THIS MAN WAS...
ALL THAT SILLY shyt YOU TALKING LOOKS STUPID.


SHAWN MARION VS 40 YR OLD JORDAN FOR GAME WINNER.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huJwvtKbnqQ"]Michael Jordan Fadeway In the 2003 All-Star Game (YES!) - YouTube[/ame]

HIS FADE AWAY WASNT DEFEND-ABLE BOY...
DIDNT MATTER HOW MUCH LENGTH YOU HAD.


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lol I love that "The NBA is different now breh. Jordan played against short white bums" argument.

As if MJ and Kobe weren't in the league at the same time. Like Mike wasnt still dominant in 96,97 and 98 (while Kobe didn't even start) Like he didn't come back and ball out as an old man.

DOZENS of players played against both MJ and Kobe. They are barely a generation apart

Thats an argument that literally got pulled out of someones ass.

STOP THE LIES. thats why i posted the actual names of the players and their abilities. they were not all white, and they darn sure were not all short.

what you do see is and CANT Be denied is the guys who guarded MJ. were SHORTER then him, less athletic then him if they are actually taller or as tall as. this is what you've seen throughout time. MJ said it with his own mouth. DUmars was his toughest defender. when a 6'4 dude is your best defender. that tells me you aint playing nobody your height and ability. you're just not.

sure there were some guys in the league with mj coming in new. some new rookie that doest know the ropes doesnt count again, mj schooling kids. throughout kobe's prime years, slightly before, and definitely right now. he has been playing vs alien wingspans and hyper athletes.

lets look at mj versus actual athletic. 6'5 to 6'7 guards/forwards that actually had to guard him back in the mid 90's.
Eddie jones. 6'6, still to thin for mj. but atleast he was very athletic himself and was a known defender. LOOk at Miguel's FG%. what i tell you. now imagine if he had to see these type of monsters night in and night out his entire career. yes he would've still won ships with that stacked team and pip. yes he would've still won scoring titles. yes he would've won mvps since the bulls would've top of the charts, therefore the best on the best team would've won mvp. that goes without saying. but i promise you the man's fg% would've been a lot lower then it is for his career as it stands today. as low as kobes? NO. why not? because kobe shoots more 3's, but he also shoots them at a better %(take away that year or two when they moved the 3 line in during the90's. again this is why you would then have to measure them by true fg%.


Michael Jordan vs. Eddie Jones (a legit 6'6 athletic defender still light weight) | Basketball-Reference.com

 

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IF HE COULD DO IT AT 38, IM SURE HE WOULDA HAD NO PROBLEM DOING IT IN HIS PRIME.
YOU REALLY DONT REALIZE HOW GREAT THIS MAN WAS...
ALL THAT SILLY shyt YOU TALKING LOOKS STUPID.
MICHAEL JORDAN: Game-Winner vs Shawn Marion (2002) - YouTube
Michael Jordan 2002: Age 38, Last Game-Winner vs. NY Knicks, 26pts - YouTube
SHAWN MARION VS 40 YR OLD JORDAN FOR GAME WINNER.
Michael Jordan Fadeway In the 2003 All-Star Game (YES!) - YouTube

HIS FADE AWAY WASNT DEFEND-ABLE BOY...
DIDNT MATTER HOW MUCH LENGTH YOU HAD.


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lol at that. now i will admit i remember that. he use to school the matrix. but thats cause the matrix was still young. he was 3 or 4 years in. mjay was old as dirt vet with all the tricks on his way out. MJ did not have to play these aliens every night for 10+ years. yall know this is the case. anyone assuming the same mjay would've had the same fg% vs ANY comp is FOOLISH. would he still have won? probably. but it darn sure would not have been as pretty.

and let me prove my point about this mj that doesnt shoot 3's cause he cant really. which boosts his normal non"TRUE fg%".

lets say mike shoots 21 times a game. and takes only 1 three. mike ends up shooting 10-21 -fg .476%
kobe shoots 21 times a game. takes 4 threes, makes one. he shoots 9-21 -fg .428%
lets say he didnt shoot the other 3 three's. lets just say he shot 3 more 2's and made 2 of them since they are closer. now he's 11-21 -fg%.523

there are multiple reason kb shoots more 3's then mj.

#1 . mike was never a very very good 3 pt shooter until the line was moved closer. and he admitted to this himself.
Kobe is a much better 3pt shooter, especially pre all the hand injuries. lets be real he held a record on ray allen recently broke. 12 threes in a game. kobe is 20th all time for 3's made. the guy is a scorer/shooter. like you've never seen.

2. zone defense packs the paint so much that there is little to no room to get into the paint let alone make a shot vs 5 guys once you're in there. MJ did not have to deal with these super zones they have nowadays.

3. after mj's first few years in the nba, he started to get love from the refs. a lot of it. that "dont touch em or its a whistle" type of love later on in his career. kobe has never receive that godfather treatment. ESPECIALLY after colorado. this means if kobe goes to the rack and gets hammered it might get called and it might not. 50/50 chance. but if it doesnt get called its like a virtual turnover.

for mj if he goes to the rack. if he misses its a foul 70/30. so of course its not smart to keep banging your body and not getting the calls. imagine if dwade didnt get the soft whistle in his prime? we know dwhistle couldnt shoot. imagine how bad his fg% would've been if he HAD to start taking the 3 a lot more often or risk being hurt wade his entire career by forcing it.

 

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lol at that. now i will admit i remember that. he use to school the matrix. but thats cause the matrix was still young. he was 3 or 4 years in. mjay was old as dirt vet with all the tricks on his way out. MJ did not have to play these aliens every night for 10+ years. yall know this is the case. anyone assuming the same mjay would've had the same fg% vs ANY comp is FOOLISH. would he still have won? probably. but it darn sure would not have been as pretty.

You're an idiot.
Nobody cares about your foolish opinions because it's like arguing with a 3rd grader

 

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IF HE COULD DO IT AT 38, IM SURE HE WOULDA HAD NO PROBLEM DOING IT IN HIS PRIME.
YOU REALLY DONT REALIZE HOW GREAT THIS MAN WAS...
ALL THAT SILLY shyt YOU TALKING LOOKS STUPID.
MICHAEL JORDAN: Game-Winner vs Shawn Marion (2002) - YouTube
Michael Jordan 2002: Age 38, Last Game-Winner vs. NY Knicks, 26pts - YouTube
SHAWN MARION VS 40 YR OLD JORDAN FOR GAME WINNER.
Michael Jordan Fadeway In the 2003 All-Star Game (YES!) - YouTube

HIS FADE AWAY WASNT DEFEND-ABLE BOY...
DIDNT MATTER HOW MUCH LENGTH YOU HAD.


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you can keep your little 15 footer.





this dude is shooting fadeaway three's getting fouled half the time, still cant buy a call. BUCKET.

 

[rapbeats]

You're an idiot.
Nobody cares about your foolish opinions because it's like arguing with a 3rd grader

3rd graders dont find facts and logic to backup their point of view.

 

[Newzz]

rapbeats is kicking all truth.....im just enjoying the show

at Joe Dumars being the best wing defender of your era.

Tayshaun Prince/Bruce Bowen/Ron Artest > Joe Dumars on defense by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[Malta]

Tayshaun Prince/Bruce Bowen/Ron Artest > Joe Dumars on defense by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

If he can do that to Ron at 40, what do you think he'd do to him if he was 25


The funny thing lost in all of this "Who was Jordan defended by" shyt is that Jordan in his prime would be the most athletic SG in the league today BY FAR.

 

[superunknown23]

This idiot basically says that "tall with long wingspan = great D"
The thought of Tay Prince shutting down a 25 year-old MJ...

 

[Malta]

And just for reference and fairness, that exact same year, Kobe shot 9-26 and 12-31 against Ron Artest, meanwhile old ass Jordan was -

10-21
6-15
14-26
11-25


Superior defenders don't mean anything to Jordan

 

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rapbeats is kicking all truth.....im just enjoying the show

at Joe Dumars being the best wing defender of your era.

Tayshaun Prince/Bruce Bowen/Ron Artest > Joe Dumars on defense by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

i mean lets just look at it.

dumars probably had a wing span of ltes say 6'5, 6'6 if i'm reaching. i dont believe joe had the crazy arms. but maybe he did. which would've helped him guard mj.

what duarms did have was strength, and quick lateral movement in addition to very strong hands.

Sounds like someone on that list up there. thats right RON (pacer) ARTEST.

that fool looks like he has a 6'10 man's wingspan even though he's only 6'7. wait..dumars is 6'4. wait.. jordan was 6'6(2inches taller then Joe). kobe is 6'6(1 inch shorter then RON.

jordan out weight joe, RON outweighed kobe . So jordan was taller, and heavier then joe. and more athletic and longer. lol. but that was his best defender.

RON Artest in his prime. was bigger and taller then KOBE. probably about the same wingspan as kobe.

Ron artest is known for having the strongest hands in the nba for a perimeter defender, and the quickest.

So jordan gets a 6'4 RON artest to guard him and Kobe gets the real thing a 6'7 200+ all muscle.

lets not get into prince with the reach of a 7 foot center and athleticism ask reggie about that chase down block.

first off reggie vs mike, reggie should've dunked that one to begin with. it goes to show you how unathletic he was as well. and that was a guy during mikes prime. i loved reggie. dont get me wrong. the boy was a beast. BUT lets keep it 160. the dude could barely dunk and he was like a buck 80 soak and wet with Boots on.