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stop it. MIKE Said out of his own mouth. JOe was the toughest defender for me. i didnt say it, Mike said it. i know dennis was up on him as well. who is a great defender if you ask me. but he's best for bigmen. not for shooting guards. but even with that. we've gone over this before in other threads. thats why john salley said what he said not long ago talking about mike is very very good. but they were not afraid of him. because they already knew "push him to his left. mike aint got no left." the proof was him dropping those years from close to 53% shooting vs the rest of the nba to 45% vs detroit

Michael Jordan vs Detroit (back 2 back championship years, playoffs included) | Basketball-Reference.com
it again proves my point.

how do you think kobe felt, being guarded by guess who detroit when they stole that ship. when it was Prince + Rasheed, Plus RIp, Plus billups on the reach. ridiculous.

Rip was kobe's height, and semi athletic, billups was shorter but strong and solid defender. Prince had the alien wingspan 7+ at 6'9. with good athletic ability. in an area where zones are legal. and kobe was getting no love from the refs.

if i put kobe back in time vs that old detroit team. he would struggle. but not like mike. because back then MIKE DIDNT/REFUSED TO?WOULDNT SHOOT. i use to yell at the TV "shoot it mike ,shoot it." that dude was not a shooter back then like that. and they knew it. they exposed him. then he learned and came back a super monster. kobe walked into the nba knowing what MJ already knew about getting a jumper. he learned it from watching jordan himself. mike is kobe's father on the court. no one is denying that. But Luke is using the force. kobe is mj 2.0 the version with a nice jumper and better handles(pre hand/finger issues).


JOHN SALLEY??? JOHN fukkING SALLEY JOHN SALLEY !!!! REALLY? JOHN SALLEY?!!!!!

Jordan going left and dunking on John Salley:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOGpZD690iA"]Michael Jordan dunks on John Salley - YouTube[/ame]



Jordan pushed left by Starks and Oakley, to then dunk on Ewing:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEVn1VUBlE"]Michael Jordan Dunks on Patrick Ewing - YouTube[/ame]


Address my points on Jordan tearing up NBA defenses as an old man please. Address that, cause you're ignoring it.
 

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Michael Jordan 2003: Age 40, Abuses Ron Artest & Pacers - YouTube

If he can do that to Ron at 40, what do you think he'd do to him if he was 25 :ld:


The funny thing lost in all of this "Who was Jordan defended by" shyt is that Jordan in his prime would be the most athletic SG in the league today BY FAR.

:shaq2:So u post 1 game where Jordan did good and that's supposed to prove something?

Jordan averaged 22.4 ppg on 40.6% from the field against Ron Artest in head 2 head career matchups

Metta World Peace vs. Michael Jordan | Basketball-Reference.com

He struggled against Artest's defense and Artest was a way better defender than a Joe Dumars
 

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well sorry, i saw the games.
yes it was dennis johnson PRIMARILY guarding him.

then when it wasnt. it was some slow of foot taller guy.

one way or another Mike had an OBVIOUS on paper advantage before the ball was tipped. and it aint nothing wrong with that. it aint his fault. but its a reality most people dont bring up. because that will spoil the mood.

i'm 6'2. i dare you to guard me if you're 5'9 or shorter. i will back you down. fake, turn bucket. back you down, fake turn, bucket. back you down, fake turn..bucket. what are you going to do to stop it? NOTHING. lets say you can jump for your height. fine. i'll let you block one or see how high you jump one time when you've made me miss a shot. then the next play i'll fake turn, UP fake, watch you go flying. step thru. BASKET and probalby an AND 1 to boot.

YOU'RE TOO SHORT.

now in my hey day, let me play some guy that was 6'2 to 6'4 or so, that was Soft, unlathletic slower guy. dribble dribble, lul you to sleep. make you step up. then blow by you with ease. Layup. layup, layup. what are you going to do about it? NOTHING you cant keep up with me. i'm too athletic.

that was MJ's entire career. its LBJ's current career. beast smaller, not nearly as strong guys, shoot over the midgets, and jump over anyone else who tries to stop you.

kobe's peers looked more like kobe then they did like joe dumars or john starks.

the real reason kobe use to destroy the spurs back in the day was because they didnt have anyone that could match up with him. height/athleticism.

the reason he had a hard time with the KG celtics. is because you have a 6'5 ray ray thats athletic(he just doesnt use it often), 6'7 or so pierce, athletic enough, solid defender, rondo with a 7 foot man's wingspan , very athletic, Tony Allen 6'5 VERY athletic. the KG on the help at 6'11-7 feet, athletic.
MJ has never in his life seen a team like that. then throw in coach TT's super zone. faaagetabout it.
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did you read my post? I said i didn't see the other games. this game dennis was not the primary defender you fukking liar. thats the reason your whole post is suspect. They had the whole team take turns trying to shut MJ down. and SMH @ you trying to dismiss the possibility that MJ was ever double teamed. gtfoh
 

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:shaq2:So u post 1 game where Jordan did good and that's supposed to prove something?

Jordan averaged 22.4 ppg on 40.6% from the field against Ron Artest in head 2 head career matchups

Metta World Peace vs. Michael Jordan | Basketball-Reference.com

He struggled against Artest's defense and Artest was a way better defender than a Joe Dumars

He was 38 years old!!!! He's shooting 40% against Artest as a 24 year old?
nikka Kobe shot 43% last year at 33!!!!!
 

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did you read my post? I said i didn't see the other games. this game dennis was not the primary defender you fukking liar. thats the reason your whole post is suspect. They had the whole team take turns trying to shut MJ down. and SMH @ you trying to dismiss the possibility that MJ was ever double teamed. gtfoh

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE[/ame]
 

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He was 38 years old!!!! He's shooting 40% against Artest as a 24 year old?
nikka Kobe shot 43% last year at 33!!!!!

Why cant yall COMPREHEND?:mindblown:

I said, Artest is a BETTER DEFENDER THAN JOE DUMARS. Which means if Jordan believes he was guarded toughly by a Joe fukking Dumars, then what would happen if he played against a prime DPOY in Ron Artest on the regular?

His shooting % would go down.

It's really not that tough to understand breh
 

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stop it. MIKE Said out of his own mouth. JOe was the toughest defender for me. i didnt say it, Mike said it. i know dennis was up on him as well. who is a great defender if you ask me. but he's best for bigmen. not for shooting guards. but even with that. we've gone over this before in other threads. thats why john salley said what he said not long ago talking about mike is very very good. but they were not afraid of him. because they already knew "push him to his left. mike aint got no left." the proof was him dropping those years from close to 53% shooting vs the rest of the nba to 45% vs detroit

Michael Jordan vs Detroit (back 2 back championship years, playoffs included) | Basketball-Reference.com
it again proves my point.

how do you think kobe felt, being guarded by guess who detroit when they stole that ship. when it was Prince + Rasheed, Plus RIp, Plus billups on the reach. ridiculous.

Rip was kobe's height, and semi athletic, billups was shorter but strong and solid defender. Prince had the alien wingspan 7+ at 6'9. with good athletic ability. in an area where zones are legal. and kobe was getting no love from the refs.

if i put kobe back in time vs that old detroit team. he would struggle. but not like mike. because back then MIKE DIDNT/REFUSED TO?WOULDNT SHOOT. i use to yell at the TV "shoot it mike ,shoot it." that dude was not a shooter back then like that. and they knew it. they exposed him. then he learned and came back a super monster. kobe walked into the nba knowing what MJ already knew about getting a jumper. he learned it from watching jordan himself. mike is kobe's father on the court. no one is denying that. But Luke is using the force. kobe is mj 2.0 the version with a nice jumper and better handles(pre hand/finger issues).


Since, we're taking players at the words that come out of their mouths, like Dumars and Salley...let's take Kobe at the words that come out of his mouth:

 
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Why cant yall COMPREHEND?:mindblown:

I said, Artest is a BETTER DEFENDER THAN JOE DUMARS. Which means if Jordan believes he was guarded toughly by a Joe fukking Dumars, then what would happen if he played against a prime DPOY in Ron Artest on the regular?

His shooting % would go down.

It's really not that tough to understand breh


 
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And Kobe dropped 55 on Jordan:takedat:
 

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