Inside Bernie-world's war on Beto O'Rourke

[ill]

“I LIKE Bernie butttt....shyt ok I LIKE Bernie”

Thanks Nap. You’ve come full circle.

 

[storyteller]

Melissa Byrne, who worked on Sanders' 2016 campaign and supports him in 2020, said she hopes O'Rourke will run against Texas Sen. John Cornyn instead of seeking the presidency.

"I'm not afraid of Beto," she said. "I'm afraid of people taking a centrist-to-conservative, making that the face of what it means to be a progressive."

Some Democrats say the Sanders troops are doing a disservice to their cause, pointing to the failure of candidates from Our Revolution — the political group formed in the wake of his presidential campaign — to win general elections in 2018, by creating a fight with O'Rourke.

"Telling people that Beto O’Rouke is a moderate candidate is not going to do the damage that it would have before," said one party elder who is not aligned with any of the candidates. "They will strengthen him. They will make him into a bigger force than he is."

Pretty much the bold, I don't want anyone falsely running on a progressive ticket and then having to deal with people doubting a true progressive if they try to run in the future. My only complaint with Beto is the people trying to shoe horn him as a progressive, a title which even he himself refused to claim. Let Beto run as a moderate, support him and if he wins then that's cool. Let him push his platform forward and we can title it or place it on the spectrum of left-center-right from there. As far as having the audacity to look at his voting record and history; guys, I've got bad news for you if you think this isn't a fair way to treat candidates but it's gonna happen with everybody that has a pulse in the race.

 

[acri1]

at that comment "we cannot trust sanders to support undocumented immigrants"

someone remind me why i'm paying any of my fukkin representatives to support undocumented immigrants?

So you think detaining them indefinitely is free?

I guess xenophobia is >>> taxation.

 

[Pressure]

So you think detaining them indefinitely is free?

I guess xenophobia is >>> taxation.

In FY 2018, the federal government is set to spend $3.076 billion on DHS Custody Operations, or $8.43 million per day on immigrant detention. Given the 40,520 detention bed quota for FY 2018, this amounts to an average daily cost of $208 per immigrant detainee.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So you’re a Bernie fan now?

Haha

this has to confuse the members who manage that coli username.

You support this

nah, I supported catch and release.

This is what y'all don't get.

I wanted faster deportations...like Hillary and Obama.

yall really don't understand me and I think that's the basis of so much confusion of what I believe in and stand for.

Either that or you don't give a fukk to actually listen to me.

 

[the cac mamba]

So you think detaining them indefinitely is free?

I guess xenophobia is >>> taxation.

it's pretty sad that you cannot make your arguments without alluding to racism and xenophobia

what do you think that lena dunman fan meant by "support undocumented immigrants"? because it sure as fukk isn't what you're talking about

 

[the cac mamba]

nah, I supported catch and release.

This is what y'all don't get.

I wanted faster deportations...like Hillary and Obama.

yall really don't understand me and I think that's the basis of so much confusion of what I believe in and stand for.

Either that or you don't give a fukk to actually listen to me.

this is the correct response. always has been

maybe nap puts it better than i do, or coming from him it's less of a blow to your tender sensibilities

 

[DEAD7]

 

[Pressure]

this is the correct response. always has been

maybe nap puts it better than i do, or coming from him it's less of a blow to your tender sensibilities

all i said was i dont CARE about their plight here. i never said i even want to actively go after any immigrants, because i dont. its a massive waste of time

Juelz Wake u

• Pressure
• Feb 13, 2017
• juelz spin

Spin it.

 

[Pressure]

while its obviously hypocritical to act like mexicans are invaders, and we arent, the facts is that white people are callin the shots. like it or not

and since thats the case, get these fukkin resource draining immigrants outta here. and this isnt a fukkin white problem, its a citizen problem. illegal mexicans arent helpin anyone

 

[the cac mamba]

Juelz Wake u

• Pressure
• Feb 13, 2017
• juelz spin

Spin it.

keep caping for illegals because the Democrats tell you to

try thinking for yourself once in a while

 

[the cac mamba]

not sure what your angle is here. playing stupid? or is that not how it is in this country, as an objective observer?

 

[Pressure]

keep caping for illegals because the Democrats tell you to

try thinking for yourself once in a while

Like it or not huh?

while its obviously hypocritical to act like mexicans are invaders, and we arent, the facts is that white people are callin the shots. like it or not

 

[Secure Da Bag]

I don't see the big deal. Especially after reading the article.

Bold by me

According to the Congressional Research Service’s official summary of the bill, it would, among other things, "permit indefinite detention of specified dangerous aliens under orders of removal who cannot be removed, subject to review every six months." The bill itself says, "With regard to length of detention, an alien may be detained under this section, without limitation, until the alien is subject to an administratively final order of removal."
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That said, Clinton’s phrasing leaves out a few nuances. Hearing this statement, one might assume the power was a direct threat to a broad swath of the undocumented immigrant population. In reality, the types of undocumented immigrants who would be affected by this provision are a specific, smaller subset -- those who are deportable, often due to having a criminal record, but who are awaiting a final legal decision.

For a sense of scale, the ACLU in 2009 cited an Associated Press report that on Jan. 25, 2009, there were at least 4,170 individuals in detention for six months or longer, with 1,334 of those subjected to detention for one year or more. These are not small numbers, but it’s worth remembering that the best estimate for the total number of undocumented immigrants in the United States is around 11 million. (** My Edit - Let's remember that Harvard study that said that the actual number is closer to 22 million**) (Clinton did, later in the debate, refer to Sanders voting for "indefinite detention for people facing deportation," which is a more limited universe of people.)

Clinton also didn’t mention that the bill would have required reviews of the detention status every six months. This isn’t a foolproof system -- many such immigrants, for instance, don’t have attorneys -- but it does indicate that the bill included requirements for due process.

Finally, it’s misleading to say, as Clinton did, that supporters were primarily "hard-line Republicans." A number of liberal Democrats also supported the bill, including such prominent lawmakers as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California and future Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio. (** My edit - does that mean he's done in these streets as well? ** )

This is muchado about nothing.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

this is the correct response. always has been

maybe nap puts it better than i do, or coming from him it's less of a blow to your tender sensibilities

People don't give a fukk to have real convos on here which is why b*stards like Bollywood Hulk Hogan keep trying to insinuate that because nations shouldn't allow infinite refugee migration means that I'm defacto pushing white nationalism, when I'm a black male my damn self.

He's a weirdo who doesn't respect serious conversations.

These dudes are trolls.