INTERESTING STAT IN KOBE VS. JORDAN DEBATE.

[DrexlersFade]

WHAT PART OF THAT INCOHERENT RAMBLING IS A FACT? ONLY FACT IN THIS THREAD SO FAR WAS THE MATHEMATICAL EQUATION I POSTED.

I know bruh do you?

 

[PIFF101]

MJ over Kobe now scram

 

[Sccit]

I know bruh do you?

U JUST MAD CUZ DREXLER IS NOWHERE NEAR THIS CONVERSATION.....EVEN LEBRON IS BETTER THAN DREXLER

 

[Sccit]

MJ over Kobe now scram

NOT IN TERMS OF SCORING

 

[Noah]

Arguing hypotheticals and opinions over the factual evidence presented

8/8

 

[stepbackj34spud]

 

[GOATpernick]

Dis fred

 

[Goatpoacher]

Nah....You gotta really meditate on those Tupac verses.

"Mama sent me to go plaAAAYYYYY with the drug dealers"

Nah mayne...I can't go there with you, mayne

War stories is close, but Aint Hard 2 find?

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Such a fukkin idiot.

 

[Sccit]

THE KOBE NUTLICKERS INSIST ON PUTTIN THEIR FEELINGS UP AGAINST FACTS

 

[NV-ME]

kobe gave him 55

 

[Raw Lyrics]

MICHAEL HAD A MORE GLORIFIED CAREER WITH SOLID SUPPORT THROUGHOUT HIS PRIME.....SO KOBE AND JORDAN ARE BASICALLY INTERCHANGEABLE AS FAR AS COMPARING TALENT FOR TALENT INDIVIDUALLY. IN FACT, I THINK U CAN MAKE A GOOD CASE FOR ANY PLAYER IN THE TOP 5 BEING GOAT. KOBE, MICHAEL, KAREEM, MAGIC, WILT. U CAN MAKE A CASE FOR ANY OF EM BEING GOAT....BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS THREAD AINT ABOUT THAT. IT'S ABOUT FACTS. IN TERMS OF RATIO, KOBE OF 2006 WOULDA AVERAGED 40.1 PPG IN 1987....FACT. BUT AS ALWAYS, U GOT THE CATS WHO ALWAYS GOTTA BE IN THEIR FEELINGS WHEN COMIN ACROSS STATISTICAL ANALYSIS THAT GOES AGAINST THE COMMON NOTIONS.

Jordan was more efficient in every facet of the game:

At least, I think most people will agree that Jordan did more in his career than Kobe. But I also suspect that Kobe is “like Mike.” In other words, I imagine many people think the gap between these two players isn’t that large. The data, though, seem to tell a different story. Jordan isn’t just better than Kobe; in fact, when we measure the difference, we see that no one should suggest these two players are similar.

The NBA tracks a variety of box score statistics to measure player performance. When we look at these numbers for Jordan and Kobe, it is clear that the former has a significant edge. For example, when we compare what Jordan did for the Chicago Bulls to what Kobe did for the Lakers (before this season), although their scoring totals are similar, Jordan was the more efficient scorer. With the Bulls, MJ had an effective field goal percentage of 51.83%. In contrast, Kobe’s mark with the Lakers is only 48.72%. To put that in perspective, the average shooting guard in the NBA (since the 1979-80 season when the three-point shot was added to the NBA) has an effective field goal percentage of 48.56%. In sum, Kobe has not been much better than average with respect to shooting from the field.

Jordan’s advantages with respect to Kobe, though, are not confined to shooting from the field. On a per-minute basis, Jordan also did more than Kobe has with respect to rebounds, assists, steals and blocked shots. Jordan was also less likely to commit turnovers, less likely to draw a personal foul and more likely to draw a foul. In sum, with respect to everything in the box score, Jordan was simply better.

Let’s begin with each player at his best. In 1988-89, Jordan produced 26.5 wins as a 25-year old shooting guard. Kobe’s best season was in 2002-03. As a 24-year old shooting guard for the LA Lakers, Kobe produced 13.0 wins. So each player hit his peak in his mid-20s (that is actually fairly normal for a basketball player). And at each player’s peak, Jordan was nearly twice as productive.


Across each player’s entire career (up until this season), it’s the same story. Jordan finished his career with the Bulls in 1998 (we will ignore his ill-fated return to the Washington Wizards when he was 38 years old). Here is what MJ did for the Bulls:

• 35,887 minutes played
• 204.8 wins produced
• 0.274 wins produced per 48 minutes

Meanwhile, here are Kobe’s career numbers before this season:

• 45,225 minutes played
• 138.7 wins produced
• 0.147 wins produced per 48 minutes

Kobe’s inability to excel with respect shooting efficiently was noted recently in an article by Henry Abbott for ESPN The Magazine.

Bryant has fired away for nearly two decades. He’s fourth on the NBA’s all-time scoring list, trailing only Kareem, Karl Malone and Michael Jordan. He’s also just a few weeks’ play from setting an all-time league record for misses. “The problem is, he’s just not as good as he thinks he is,” says one source in the Lakers’ inner circle. “He’s just not as efficient as he thinks he is.

This passage essentially captures the weakness in Kobe’s game. Kobe will soon pass Jordan in scoring totals. But he will also soon pass everyone else in missed shots.

Those missed shots matter. The key to evaluating players is to make sure you measure accurately the positives and the negatives. In other words, accurate evaluation requires you get past the “scoring illusion” (i.e., placing too much emphasis on scoring totals in evaluating basketball players). When you take that step, it becomes clear that Jordan did much more than Kobe, and Kobe is nowhere close to being “like Mike.”

 

[Floyd Pinkerton]

Coli WOAT

 

[Bilz]

THE KOBE NUTLICKERS INSIST ON PUTTIN THEIR FEELINGS UP AGAINST FACTS

You're finally making some sense.

 

[Illin Degenerate]

the total points scored in the league is one way to look at it, but jordan still averaged more points per possession and the no.2 scorer in 86-87 was 8.1 ppg behind jordan while the no.2 and no.3 scorers in 05-06 were within 4 points of kobe.

still an all time great scoring season by kobe that may not be matched anytime soon.