AGAIN, UR MISSIN THE ENTIRE POINT. WERE U IN SPECIAL CLASSES AS A YOUTH? IM NOT SAYIN THAT THE STARS ALIGNED TO GIVE KOBE THE WORST CONDITIONS POSSIBLE..IM SAYIN THEY ALIGNED TO GIVE JORDAN THE BEST CONDITIONS POSSIBLE. PAY ATTENTION.
INTERESTING STAT IN KOBE VS. JORDAN DEBATE.
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AGAIN, UR MISSIN THE ENTIRE POINT. WERE U IN SPECIAL CLASSES AS A YOUTH? IM NOT SAYIN THAT THE STARS ALIGNED TO GIVE KOBE THE WORST CONDITIONS POSSIBLE..IM SAYIN THEY ALIGNED TO GIVE JORDAN THE BEST CONDITIONS POSSIBLE. PAY ATTENTION.
IM GLAD UR MY BIGGEST FAN HERE........ANOTHER MORON WHO CANT COMPREHEND SIMPLE NOTIONS. I NEVER EVEN SAID KOBE IS BETTER THAN JORDAN, I SAID THEYRE BOTH THE BEST AT WHAT THEY DO AND THAT VIRTUALLY ANY1 IN THE TOP 10 IS INTERCHANGEABLE AT GOAT........ALSO, DUMBFUCC, I NEVER SAID SHAQ WAS DETRIMENTAL TO KOBE'S SUCCESS, I SAID HE WAS DETRIMENTAL TO HIS INDIVIDUAL ACCOLADES, SUCH AS SCORING NUMBERS, WHICH HE CLEARLY WAS. U PUT KOBE IN HIS PRIME ON A TEAM WHERE HE'S THE PRIMARY SCORING OPTION, AND THATS 35 A NIGHT MINIMUM. BUT KEEP ARGUING THE OBVIOUS BECAUSE U LOVE THE TASTE OF MY NUTS.
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Mantis Toboggan M.D.
I’m here for the scraps
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is filled with you lying or back tracking on your own arguments and spewing garbage anyway.
LOL NO....UR FORGETTING THAT EVEN WITH KOBE, IT TOOK THE LAKERS SOME GRUELING 7 GAMES SERIES' THAT WENT DOWN TO THE WIRE TO GET TO THE FINALS. NO WAY THEYRE GETTING PAST THOSE WITH A RAY ALLEN INSTEAD OF A KOBE...ONLY AN IDIOT OR A CASUAL BASKETBALL FAN WOULD SAY SOMETHIN SO STUPID.
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U STAY GETTIN SONNED AND SNITCHIN WHEN U DO.....STAY OUT MY THREADS IF U DONT LIKE SHIIT IN YOUR MOUTH.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
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at Kobe and Eric Snow taking out Iverson and Shaq in their primes.
MORE LIKE KOBE AND MUTOMBO.....LETS NOT FORGET, MUTOMBO WAS AMONGST THE BEST DEFENDERS IN THE NBA AND A HALL-OF-FAME CALIBER PLAYER. MUTOMBO WOULDA COMPLIMENTED KOBE'S SKILL-SET A LOT MORE THAN SHAQ'S DID. DUDE HAS A POINT.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
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Define casual? Because the "casuals" here have been arguing consistently along the lines of what I've been saying. And up until they got tired of literally repeating everything, I saw some good rebuttals and uses of real facts.
The only thing Kobe is better than Jordan at regarding shooting is three-point shooting. Kobe is a superior three-point shooter, but it does not make him the better shooter overall.
Example: Jordan's playoffs/Finals stats at mid-range during his first three-peat:
'91 playoffs:
TOTAL:
In Paint: 102/171 (59.6 FG%)
Midrange: 84/178 (47.2 FG%)
'92 Finals:
Midrange: 38/79 (48.1 FG%)
'93 Finals:
Midrange: 55/108 (50.9 FG%)
Total from Mid-Range in playoffs/Finals from his first three-peat: 177/365 (48.5 FG%)
But Kobe was still a better shooter because you watched him a lot, right?
Another example (keep in mind that by the late-90s he shot more mid-range jumpers than he ever had):
According to NBA.com:
Jordan from mid-range and painted area (not including finishes at the rim) in '96-'97:
Paint: 51.53%
Mid-range: 48.92%
'97-'98:
Paint: 56.37%
Mid-range: 43.23%
Now how about Kobe from the same zones (starting with 2005-06 up until 2009-10):
'05-'06:
Paint: 56.49%
Mid-range: 42.42%
'06-'07:
Paint: 56.91%
Mid-range: 43.94%
'07-'08:
Paint: 60.00%
Mid-range: 38.79%
'08-'09:
Paint: 58.74%
Mid-range: 42.03%
'09-'10
Paint: 52.34%
Mid-range: 45.15%
All of Kobe's mid-range zones failed to surpass Jordan's '96-'97 mark. Only one beat his '97-'98 mark. Do you see this and where I'm going with this? There is no rebuttal for shooting charts. Us "casuals" came here with well supported opinions and you said what?
"EYE TEST OVER ALL." Only because you don't know what to say to Jordan legitimately shooting better than Kobe from the paint and mid-range? There is nothing above to support that Kobe was a superior shooter outside of three-point shooting. Pretty much everything else belongs to Jordan.
In fairness to Kobe, his shooting from mid-range is above average in this era but still not better than Jordan's. Reference the charts above before you say something like I'm "casual" or "I need an ESPN breakdown" or "eye test>statistical evidence."
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theGoldmangod
All Star
Uh, nah.
I saw him play and even for nikkas who didn't see him play, statistics back up the fact that he's the GOAT when you put his up against your favorite player's favorite player's. It is what it is breh
fifth column
Superstar
Define casual? Because the "casuals" here have been arguing consistently along the lines of what I've been saying. And up until they got tired of literally repeating everything, I saw some good rebuttals and uses of real facts.
The only thing Kobe is better than Jordan at regarding shooting is three-point shooting. Kobe is a superior three-point shooter, but it does not make him the better shooter overall.
Example: Jordan's playoffs/Finals stats at mid-range during his first three-peat:
'91 playoffs:
TOTAL:
In Paint: 102/171 (59.6 FG%)
Midrange: 84/178 (47.2 FG%)
'92 Finals:
Midrange: 38/79 (48.1 FG%)
'93 Finals:
Midrange: 55/108 (50.9 FG%)
Total from Mid-Range in playoffs/Finals from his first three-peat: 177/365 (48.5 FG%)
But Kobe was still a better shooter because you watched him a lot, right?
Another example (keep in mind that by the late-90s he shot more mid-range jumpers than he ever had):
According to NBA.com:
Jordan from mid-range and painted area (not including finishes at the rim) in '96-'97:
Paint: 51.53%
Mid-range: 48.92%
'97-'98:
Paint: 56.37%
Mid-range: 43.23%
Now how about Kobe from the same zones (starting with 2005-06 up until 2009-10):
'05-'06:
Paint: 56.49%
Mid-range: 42.42%
'06-'07:
Paint: 56.91%
Mid-range: 43.94%
'07-'08:
Paint: 60.00%
Mid-range: 38.79%
'08-'09:
Paint: 58.74%
Mid-range: 42.03%
'09-'10
Paint: 52.34%
Mid-range: 45.15%
All of Kobe's mid-range zones failed to surpass Jordan's '96-'97 mark. Only one beat his '97-'98 mark. Do you see this and where I'm going with this? There is no rebuttal for shooting charts. Us "casuals" came here with well supported opinions and you said what?
"EYE TEST OVER ALL." Only because you don't know what to say to Jordan legitimately shooting better than Kobe from the paint and mid-range? There is nothing above to support that Kobe was a superior shooter outside of three-point shooting. Pretty much everything else belongs to Jordan.
In fairness to Kobe, his shooting from mid-range is above average in this era but still not better than Jordan's. Reference the charts above before you say something like I'm "casual" or "I need an ESPN breakdown" or "eye test>statistical evidence."
Define casual? Because the "casuals" here have been arguing consistently along the lines of what I've been saying. And up until they got tired of literally repeating everything, I saw some good rebuttals and uses of real facts.
The only thing Kobe is better than Jordan at regarding shooting is three-point shooting. Kobe is a superior three-point shooter, but it does not make him the better shooter overall.
Example: Jordan's playoffs/Finals stats at mid-range during his first three-peat:
'91 playoffs:
TOTAL:
In Paint: 102/171 (59.6 FG%)
Midrange: 84/178 (47.2 FG%)
'92 Finals:
Midrange: 38/79 (48.1 FG%)
'93 Finals:
Midrange: 55/108 (50.9 FG%)
Total from Mid-Range in playoffs/Finals from his first three-peat: 177/365 (48.5 FG%)
But Kobe was still a better shooter because you watched him a lot, right?
Another example (keep in mind that by the late-90s he shot more mid-range jumpers than he ever had):
According to NBA.com:
Jordan from mid-range and painted area (not including finishes at the rim) in '96-'97:
Paint: 51.53%
Mid-range: 48.92%
'97-'98:
Paint: 56.37%
Mid-range: 43.23%
Now how about Kobe from the same zones (starting with 2005-06 up until 2009-10):
'05-'06:
Paint: 56.49%
Mid-range: 42.42%
'06-'07:
Paint: 56.91%
Mid-range: 43.94%
'07-'08:
Paint: 60.00%
Mid-range: 38.79%
'08-'09:
Paint: 58.74%
Mid-range: 42.03%
'09-'10
Paint: 52.34%
Mid-range: 45.15%
All of Kobe's mid-range zones failed to surpass Jordan's '96-'97 mark. Only one beat his '97-'98 mark. Do you see this and where I'm going with this? There is no rebuttal for shooting charts. Us "casuals" came here with well supported opinions and you said what?
"EYE TEST OVER ALL." Only because you don't know what to say to Jordan legitimately shooting better than Kobe from the paint and mid-range? There is nothing above to support that Kobe was a superior shooter outside of three-point shooting. Pretty much everything else belongs to Jordan.
In fairness to Kobe, his shooting from mid-range is above average in this era but still not better than Jordan's. Reference the charts above before you say something like I'm "casual" or "I need an ESPN breakdown" or "eye test>statistical evidence."
SO U JUST GUNA POST ALL THAT BS, BASED AROUND THE NOTION THAT KOBE WAS ONLY A BETTER THREE POINT SHOOTER (ALSO, LETS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT JORDAN PLAYED 3 SEASONS WHERE THE THREE POINT LINE WAS SHORTENED LMAO), AND COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT KOBE WAS ALSO A BETTER FREE-THROW SHOOTER? FACE IT..KOBE HAS A BETTER STROKE. THERES NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS BASKETBALL THAT CLAIMS OTHERWISE...BUT KEEP SPREADING MISINFORMATION AND GETTING THE SIMPLE FOLKS TO BUY IN. I SEE U.