Internet Forums are the only place where I see Swizz Beatz being classified as a mediocre producer

[Zero]

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[Wacky D]

What you're saying here is true. However, just because it's true doesn't mean everybody was rockin'
to "Banned From TV" strictly because of the beat. The beat is a banger, but it ain't a better beat than
"Superthug".

Matter fact - it might not even be a top 5 beat on the album.

"banned from tv" was clearly the most popular beat in the game when it was out. and it was the most freestyled-over beat for a good 2 year at the very least.

if its not "strictly because of the beat", then I don't know what is.

Bruh - all Swizz' beats are as "commercial" as the dudes you trying to vilify.

swizz mostly made street bangers breh.

the other guys are r&b first.
timbaland in particular, barely has any street bangers.

Jay jocks everybody's sound when it's hot. That's what he do. That doesn't get you a prize.
Ask Rockwilder and Rick Rock. lol

you should be directing this post towards the guy that's arguing in denial about that. why is this post directed towards me?

and youre not telling me anything I don't already know breh.

You can't be serious...there's like a bunch of these...

and how many of them mattered?

You sayin' this like the LOX's beats was killin' it during this time. The best beat the LOX got during this era
was from Timbaland, so go back to the drawing board.

lol @ timbaland.

yall talking about that "ryde or die chick" song?

I understand that you two guys are r&b-first but dammit man.

You're basically dissing yourself because you asked me to post them. In fact you said "please", so miss me with that. I'm quite sure you didn't even listen to them.

Timbaland and Jay were never in talks for years about doing an album together. It was suggested. It's no different from the Nas/Premo album that has been hinted at for years or any other rapper and producer combo that said they had an album in the works that didn't materialize.

nah. I appreciate your effort. but those beats aren't bangers breh. and yes, I did click on the songs that I don't recall hearing beforehand.

I recall reading otherwise about the jay/timbo album.

 

[FSP]

I never liked Swizzy myself. He fukked Alicia Keys though so there's that

 

[Taadow]

"banned from tv" was clearly the most popular beat in the game when it was out. and it was the most freestyled-over beat for a good 2 year at the very least.

if its not "strictly because of the beat", then I don't know what is.

Nah.

For one, "Banned From TV" got more props for the rhymes than the beat. The beat
was good enough, and it didn't overshadow the rhymers.

Also, that was around the same time "Deja Vu", "Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See",
"The Actual", "Full Cooperation" and "Clock Strikes" (by Tim) was the beats to spit off of.
"Banned From TV" wasn't get more burn in the ciphers than them.

swizz mostly made street bangers breh.

That doesn't mean they was tight.

the other guys are r&b first.

Okay.

timbaland in particular, barely has any street bangers.

You're smoking fine rocks o' crack.

you should be directing this post towards the guy that's arguing in denial about that. why is this post directed towards me?

Because you said "Jay was jockin' the Ruff Ryder sound" like that was a feather in Swizz' cap
on this topic. That doesn't work because Jay was jockin' everybodies' sound who was poppin'.

And it really doesn't work because (again) it could argued that Swizz wasn't even the best Ruff Ryders
producer.

and how many of them mattered?

You moving the goalpost now, but that's aight.

How many of Swizz' non-radio beats with Jay "mattered"?

lol @ timbaland.

yall talking about that "ryde or die chick" song?

I understand that you two guys are r&b-first but dammit man.

I find it funny that you knew exactly which one I was talkin' about. lol
The original, and the remix with the Super Mario Bros. beats are the best beats
The Lox as a group ever spit on in their lives...I might make an exception for
"Benjamins" - but Styles didn't get to spit on that because Missy told him no.
'Member that?

 

[Wacky D]

Nah.

For one, "Banned From TV" got more props for the rhymes than the beat. The beat
was good enough, and it didn't overshadow the rhymers.

Also, that was around the same time "Deja Vu", "Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See",
"The Actual", "Full Cooperation" and "Clock Strikes" (by Tim) was the beats to spit off of.
"Banned From TV" wasn't get more burn in the ciphers than them.


Because you said "Jay was jockin' the Ruff Ryder sound" like that was a feather in Swizz' cap
on this topic. That doesn't work because Jay was jockin' everybodies' sound who was poppin'.

I'm coming from a street perspective. I'm not talking about cyphers that you see on TV or none of that chit. I'm talking about beats that dudes was spittin over on the mixtapes & in the streets. "banned from tv" was the one.
some of those beats weren't even that popular.


I never said it was a feather in swizz' cap. I was just correcting the bul who was claiming that jay didn't ride their wave. you should be directing your post towards HIM. not me.
youre just trying to get a 1-up by starting a vague argument over some chit that i didn't even say. and you tend to start these ticky-tack arguments with me whenever we cross paths. Its flattering, yet still a lame move cuzzo.

 

[CSquare43]

Isn't the internet the only place that cats even talk about Swizz any more??

 

[NinoBrown]

His productions are just beats and not much musicality behind them.

If you put him up against The Neptunes, Timbaland, Dr. Dre and Kanye and one has to go. He'd be ousted by a landslide. He's not garbage but he's not very good plus his hits been on the strength of the performers not his production savvy.

/Thread

His productions are Red Lobster, pretty average, but nothing you'll get from a 5-star joint....

 

[Taadow]

I'm coming from a street perspective.

LMAO...okay.

I'm not talking about cyphers that you see on TV or none of that chit. I'm talking about beats that dudes was spittin over on the mixtapes & in the streets. "banned from tv" was the one.
some of those beats weren't even that popular.

Again - you gotta be on some kinda drugs to act say "Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See",
"Deja Vu (Uptown Baby", "Clock Strikes", "The Actual", and "Full Cooperation" beats weren't even that popular.

I never said it was a feather in swizz' cap.

I know you didn't say that, and I didn't say you said that.
I said what you said was "like" that - a "feather in ones' cap" is a figure of speech.

youre just trying to get a 1-up by starting a vague argument over some chit that i didn't even say. and you tend to start these ticky-tack arguments with me whenever we cross paths.

No...what I "tend" to do is tell you when you say something that's incorrect when we "cross paths".
Especially since you like to pass yourself as some sort of pseudo hip-hop historian.

Maybe you just tend to say incorrect things a lot.

 

[JustCKing]

"banned from tv" was clearly the most popular beat in the game when it was out. and it was the most freestyled-over beat for a good 2 year at the very least.

if its not "strictly because of the beat", then I don't know what is.





swizz mostly made street bangers breh.

the other guys are r&b first.
timbaland in particular, barely has any street bangers.






you should be directing this post towards the guy that's arguing in denial about that. why is this post directed towards me?

and youre not telling me anything I don't already know breh.





and how many of them mattered?






lol @ timbaland.

yall talking about that "ryde or die chick" song?

I understand that you two guys are r&b-first but dammit man.





nah. I appreciate your effort. but those beats aren't bangers breh. and yes, I did click on the songs that I don't recall hearing beforehand.

I recall reading otherwise about the jay/timbo album.

Timbaland and The Neptunes aren't "R&B guys". Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis are R&B guys. Darkchild is an R&B guy. R&B guys don't produce Hip Hop. They may have a couple of Hip Hop joints under their belts, but they essentially produce R&B music. You'd hardly find them helming an album that's fully or predominantly Hip Hop.

I'm not an R&B guy. I listen to and like R&B, but it's mainly Hip Hop that I listen to.

Whether you thought those beats were bangers or not wasn't the issue. You asked for hard beats.

 

[Wacky D]

Again - you gotta be on some kinda drugs to act say "Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See",
"Deja Vu (Uptown Baby", "Clock Strikes", "The Actual", and "Full Cooperation" beats weren't even that popular.

I'm saying that the bolded beats weren't poppin on the level of "banned from tv". nowhere near.

"put your hands" is still huge in the clubs. but on some str8 rappin chit, theres more freestyles to "banned from tv". way more.

I know you didn't say that, and I didn't say you said that.
I said what you said was "like" that - a "feather in ones' cap" is a figure of speech.



No...what I "tend" to do is tell you when you say something that's incorrect when we "cross paths".
Especially since you like to pass yourself as some sort of pseudo hip-hop historian.

Maybe you just tend to say incorrect things a lot.

the point is, you shouldn't have been responding to me about that at all. you should've been responding to the other party.

and you admit that I didn't say it, but then you turn around and claim that you pull these stunts in order to correct me...........well if you agree that I wasn't incorrect, then what are you trying to correct me on?

and no, I don't pass myself off as anything. I'm just on here talking rap. if you have a problem with that, then that's a personal animosity issue that you need to straighten out yourself.

you saying that chit just proved my point in the previous post. youre fishing for a one-up on me. I'm flattered that you think so highly of wacky d.
I also like how you tried to do a spinoff series of my throwback threads. but you didn't give me a shoutout, nor do you post in my chit. so I'm offended.

your new name is wacky jr until you get right.
and stop being a bitter beer-faced biter.

 

[DMGAINGREEN]

Pick out select songs to make a point brehs...
Did I or did I not say half? A few classic songs are in here and a bunch are random songs off of albums nikkas like. I know the internet is obsessed with calling anything classic though. Don't prove my point for me.

You said he should be well revered. Do you know what that word means? Nothing I said was irrational or hateful, I said what most people in here said and that is that he has some OK and great beats but alot of his work is shyt and mediocre.

Half of an album being good and the rest being shyt does not make the album great or worthy of saying it should be a highly praised album. The same applies to Swizz as an overall producer.

And again I don't know anyone besides forums who talk about Swizz beats in 2016 so this is purely an internet nikka discussion in of itself. And even then I hardly see anyone make a post or thread about Swizz beats.

Some of you dudes have this weird habit of coming up with some off the wall argument in your head and then come on the coli to argue it against the internet as if the web is against you and you know the truth when in reality you saw like 2 people say something and then you project your anger on everyone else and make up things.

More than half of the songs niccas pointed out to negate ya hatred is considered classics , and what does discussing Swizz in 2016 have to do with anything I'm referring to his reception in his prime , how ome throughout the whole time he was active all the hateful remarks I see about his production on the internet we're never spewed in real life , how come everytime I do a 90s set when I'm DJing and throw on a Swizzy track the crowd loses its mind ?

Like I said if ya despise Swizz cool , but this rewriting of history is what mostly inspired me to make this thread . shyt is corny and like I stated before I don't even consider Swizz a top 10 producer , but I give credit when its due

 

[karim]

Till this day shyt still baffles me , prior to browsing on forums I would have thought Swizz would have well revered on here only to see the opposite , dude blessed us with a plethora of street classics and I DJ occasionally and every time I throw on a throwback swizz beat from the late 90s / early 00s I always receive the reaction ... So please explain to me why forums perception of Swizz beats is like stepping into the twilight zone

if you knew anything about producing, you wouldn't ask this question because you'd know that it doesn't get more basic than a early 00 swizz beat. swizz is a third rate producer who got lucky as a teenager and therefore never needed to hone his skills. he got better at what he does, but he's still lacklustre. the only reason he even has a career is because dame grease refused to sign a fukked up contract as a ruff ryders inhouse producer. as a result, dee and waah pushed swizz who was 16 or 18 at the time and played three finger melodies with preset sounds of his triton. dame grease had produced most of the hugely successful first dmx album and when people called and asked who did the beats, dee and waah told them it was swizz. if it wasn't for the hype of dmx, nobody would have looked at swizz twice back then.

 

[DMGAINGREEN]

if you knew anything about producing, you wouldn't ask this question because you'd know that it doesn't get more basic than a early 00 swizz beat. swizz is a third rate producer who got lucky as a teenager and therefore never needed to hone his skills. he got better at what he does, but he's still lacklustre. the only reason he even has a career is because dame grease refused to sign a fukked up contract as a ruff ryders inhouse producer. as a result, dee and waah pushed swizz who was 16 or 18 at the time and played three finger melodies with preset sounds of his triton. dame grease had produced most of the hugely successful first dmx album and when people called and asked who did the beats, dee and waah told them it was swizz. if it wasn't for the hype of dmx, nobody would have looked at swizz twice back then.

Dog I know alot about producing which is why Swizz is no where near my Top 10 , but I'm not going to deny that his shyt banged back in the day just because son ain't technically musically inclined like that

Also swizz addressed the preset stealing rumors way back in the day , shyt isn't true and even back then he had good reception back then according to the nicca that's interviewing ... like I said if ya despise Swizz cool , but lets stop rewriting history just because ya have a personal disdain for son

 

[karim]

Dog I know alot about producing which is why Swizz is no where near my Top 10 , but I'm not going to deny that his shyt banged back in the day just because son ain't technically musically inclined like that

if you know a lot about producing, i really don't understand your question. his shyt didn't bang at all back in the day. as a producer, he was at a stage where he didn't even know what he was doing back then, so he landed a lucky banger here and there, but most of his shyt was pure he's probably the only case in the history of rap music where the artist carried the producer and not the other way around.

 

[DMGAINGREEN]

if you know a lot about producing, i really don't understand your question. his shyt didn't bang at all back in the day. as a producer, he was at a stage where he didn't even know what he was doing back then, so he landed a lucky banger here and there, but most of his shyt was pure he's probably the only case in the history of rap music where the artist carried the producer and not the other way around.

Once again peep the interview I posted , it's totally refutes everything your saying , according to the interviewer at that moment he was commended by fans and peers .. so why is someone who's obviously out there perception totally different from yours


Like I said before if you personally despise Swizz its whatever , but rewriting history just because you don't like him is corny breh