Internet nikkas in the 90s used to hate on rappers worse than thecoli

[hex]

all u what u said may be true. But the premise of the thread is 10000% on point. A lot of people felt that way. Pac nor Biggie was universally loved. Biggie even address the hate on his last rap city interview and all throughout life after death.

Nobody and nothing is universally loved though. I'm not even sure why people would assume that about Pac or BIG.

I'm saying reading a message board post in 1996....even if it does happen to be right....is more a "broken clocks, twice a day" sort of thing. Like I said if somebody was online in 1996....when less than 10% of America had the internet.....they were an extreme outlier. In general. Let alone with a specific opinion on rap.

Fred.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I have always said pac and biggie was nowhere as loved as people think.

I'd agree on Pac but not Big. At the time sure, if you were from the west coast or south you fukked with Pac heavy. But a loooot of east coast people were not fukking with him, didn't consider him an elite rapper, and certainly didn't consider him competition for Big. That's just a fact. Influence and the dominance of AEOM over time certainly changed that for many folks but honestly I bet if you sat down most NY artists and tastemakers they wouldn't have Pac in their top 5.

Big was certainly the king of the east coast and had fans everywhere else, but I'd agree he wasn't seen as we see him now overall. If anything, No Way Out prob did as much if not more to create the Biggie mythos than his albums in life. Due to Diddy reaching a broader/whiter/more mainstream audience and introducing Biggie to them. Also I don't think it's controversial to suggest that if Biggie had lived a few more months for LAD and No Way Out to come out, he would have been clowned by a lot of the "real rap" nerds who hated Pac.

 

[Cladyclad]

Nobody and nothing is universally loved though. I'm not even sure why people would assume that about Pac or BIG.

I'm saying reading a message board post in 1996....even if it does happen to be right....is more a "broken clocks, twice a day" sort of thing. Like I said if somebody was online in 1996....when less than 10% of America had the internet.....they were an extreme outlier. In general. Let alone with a specific opinion on rap.

Fred.

10% of 300 million is 30 million. All it takes is for 100 privilege black hiphop heads to make a forum pop. i know this may sound foreign but some black people had money in the 90s. Hell my uncle worked at a Barden cable and had internet. He was far from paid

 

[Mike Wins]

I'd agree on Pac but not Big. At the time sure, if you were from the west coast or south you fukked with Pac heavy. But a loooot of east coast people were not fukking with him, didn't consider him an elite rapper, and certainly didn't consider him competition for Big. That's just a fact. Influence and the dominance of AEOM over time certainly changed that for many folks but honestly I bet if you sat down most NY artists and tastemakers they wouldn't have Pac in their top 5.

Big was certainly the king of the east coast and had fans everywhere else, but I'd agree he wasn't seen as we see him now overall. If anything, No Way Out prob did as much if not more to create the Biggie mythos than his albums in life. Due to Diddy reaching a broader/whiter/more mainstream audience and introducing Biggie to them. Also I don't think it's controversial to suggest that if Biggie had lived a few more months for LAD and No Way Out to come out, he would have been clowned by a lot of the "real rap" nerds who hated Pac.

Pac was like a God out west especially after AEOM dropped. BIG was easily the biggest east coast rapper far as popularity at the time but once Hit Em Up though then a lot of dudes turned on BIG. But that was short lived at least in my circle most realized we got robbed of two legends and LAD and No Way Out was extremely popular

Of course that's just my own experience. Funny thing about this though, world was lot smaller. Obviously radio, MTV and BET played a big part but all it took was a few cool brehs or brehettes at your high school fukking with a particular artist or album to make that shyt hot (or not)

 

[L. Deezy]

true it is somewhat of a snap shot in time but it's also a very limited view of what it was like back then. in the mid-late 90s there weren't THAT many people who listened to Hip Hop compared to these days, let alone people who were Hip Hop heads AND had access to the internet AND knew about Hip Hop forums etc

What? Lol

Hip Hop was at full peak by then. How old are you?

 

[L. Deezy]

I enjoy these discussions because those who were in real time can really tell their view on how things happened,

Blacks back then supported the rappers, we would buy their CDs, go to their concerts, you would see us in their merch, posters on the walls of one's room. Back then Black folks were heavy into Hip Hop, your 5-30 year old, it was the center of many things that happened in Black society from your college parties, house parties, family reunions, those elements.

2pac received a lot of love from his peers, again that 'older' generation wasn't so much on his coattail as much.

Like in 2022 you have some 35 year olds - 45 old black men and women still bump your average rapper per say or R&B singer, back then in the 90s, those folks in that age range really didn't bump the rap music like that per say, You had some still that did, but many didn't compared to today's 35 year old - 45 year old.

You may have a 35 year old or 40 year old checking out the Migos latest album or they may listen to a Lil Baby album when it comes out, back in 95 or early you wouldn't so much have a 40 year old going to the store to buy a 2pac album, those folks were different back then, now they would listen to the singles on the radio etc, but I didn't see a lot of 37 year olds, 40 year old running to the store to pick up the latest 2pac album.

Only exception I may say is when he got out of prison and drop AEOM, California Love was everywhere in the summer of 96. I'm talking Everywhere.

This is accurate.. a 40 year old back then was checking for R&B. Keith Sweat, Toni Braxton, Anita, etc....

 

[DaveyDave]

Hip Hop was at full peak by then. How old are you?

Hip hop was not at its full peak by 1996, I’d say more like 98-2000 is when it hit full pop level. 96 you had stars and big hits and multi platinum albums but the genre as a whole was still looked down on and being called a fad.

 

[L. Deezy]

Hip hop was not at its full peak by 1996, I’d say more like 98-2000 is when it hit full pop level. 96 you had stars and big hits and multi platinum albums but the genre as a whole was still looked down on and being called a fad.

Huh? Hip Hop had full news publications by 96. It was on radio rotations by then. We had cartoons on tv by then.. im not following you on that

But you gonna say it wasnt until 2 years after? Lol. Bro...

 

[FluffyEyes]

The fukkery/death stimulus did a LOT, admit it or not.

I mean this always happens when you have the death of a younger celeb at the peak of their relevance. There is a mythology that accrues over time. Ppl like Pac didn't get a chance to become irrelevant musically, have to transition into a shifting music industry as a veteran/older artist, see the industry attempt to replace them with younger up and coming rappers.

The lack of the usual peaks and valleys of a long life and career allow their legacies to be built up in way that doesn't happen otherwise, no matter how good the music is.

 

[Nomad1]

A lot of it is legacy, mystique and marketing. He did well while alive, but none of this godlike status or fandom. He was a good rapper who made some good music.

I think it's pretty obvious Pac has the Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, effect post-death. When you're on top (and in a coastal war like Pac), youll have haters and critics.

 

[Nomad1]

Huh? Hip Hop had full news publications by 96. It was on radio rotations by then. We had cartoons on tv by then.. im not following you on that

But you gonna say it wasnt until 2 years after? Lol. Bro...

hes talking about critics taking the culture seriously, and I don't think rap music was the most popular form of genre until the early 2000s hit.

 

[TripleAgent]

I think it's pretty obvious Pac has the Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, effect post-death. When you're on top (and in a coastal war like Pac), youll have haters and critics.

And like I always say, we didn't get to see him get torn apart on wax, so his dikkriders can pretend like he had everyone shook and took no Ls.

 

[Nomad1]

And like I always say, we didn't get to see him get torn apart on wax, so his dikkriders can pretend like he had everyone shook and took no Ls.

I think Mobb Deep had the best diss record, Biggie had good subs on LAD but his death overshadowed the disses he had for Pac on that album. I think Jay would have given him a run for his money, but there was enough time for others to diss him, a lot didn't and some did but it wasn't great. People were shook of Death Row, this is documented, and Pac was clearly not afraid of dissing people.

 

[TripleAgent]

I think Mobb Deep had the best diss record, Biggie had good subs on LAD but his death overshadowed the disses he had for Pac on that album. I think Jay would have given him a run for his money, but there was enough time for others to diss him, a lot didn't and some did but it wasn't great. People were shook of Death Row, this is documented, and Pac was clearly not afraid of dissing people.

Everything got toned down or removed after he died. This is pre-Internet, so a lot of these probably weren't seeing he light of day until an album dropped. We know 100% BIG and Mobb Deep held back. I don't even like Jay, and I see him outbarring Pac. Badly. All the names he aimed at were better. Chino, De La, all of them.

 

[Nomad1]

Everything got toned down or removed after he died. This is pre-Internet, so a lot of these probably weren't seeing he light of day until an album dropped. We know 100% BIG and Mobb Deep held back. I don't even like Jay, and I see him outbarring Pac. Badly. All the names he aimed at were better. Chino, De La, all of them.

People had enough time to respond. If you think others are better that's your opinion, but Chino's career isn't impressive or noteworthy, De La shoot subs and duck when called out, Mobb Deep never held back they did La La straight away and drop a gem for Pac, Jay just wasn't that guy when Big and Pac were dominating. The narrative that "these guys didn't have time to respond" is just something I disagree with.
Those guys might have not been afraid of Pac, but Pac / Death Row certainly wasn't stressed about any of those guys.