Irrational Games (Bioshock developer) shutting its doors

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No, because the question is about as irrelevant as the one I posted in response.

You're choosing to focus on black people in a game where pretty much everyone across the board caught Ls. The white "hero" protagonist is a man paid to kidnap a girl....who we find out sold his own daughter to pay off gambling debts. This same "white hero" is drowned by his daughter, the white ultra-conservative utopia Columbia is destroyed, and their idol Comstock is killed.

Should I say the game is racist against white people?
The game makes white people look so bad white supremacists actually threatened to kill the people that made it:

http://kotaku.com/5968336/the-jew-ken-levine-is-making-a-white person-killing-simulator

But it's racist because the black characters died and/or weren't depicted as stalwart heroes? :what:

You're smarter than this. If your argument uses the same logic as st0rmfr0nt it's time to rethink what you're saying.

Fred.
:what: What is this nonsense? White person killing simulator?? Jews aren't a race of people.
 

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Without spoiling anything, Daisy's story and motivations are expanded upon in the "Burial At Sea: Episode 2" DLC. I'd like to say more but....I can't really.

This is why I said "let's wait until the 2nd DLC" earlier in the thread though.

Fred.
Hmm, well, I haven't actually played any of the DLC's yet. I beat the game over the past summer, but my backlog from last gen is still long as shyt (Playing through Skyrim right now).

I'll check it out at some point.
 

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You actually prove MY point : Black South Africans didn't kill everyone, they didn't enact harsh revenge, ultimately : They didn't prove their oppressors right. (And this doesn't speak to whether or not they should have, that's a different topic that need be left for Higher Learning).

But in BSI, because Ken Levine wanted to make a science fiction game, but also wanted to latch on some pseudo-intellectual "point", we were left with some ridiculous statement about oppressors and oppressed being two sides of the same coin. He invokes real history....mangles it beyond imagination...then dumps it the second it no longer serves the purpose of "Press X to Elizabeth".

Which goes back to what I originally stated : The false equivalency between the Founders and the Vox Pop is extremely problematic and in fact, racist.

Let me ask you this, would Ken Levine (Who is a Jew) have created the same equivalency between Jews and Germany during the 1930's?

I respect the fact that Irrational tried to bring a bit of intellectualism to the fps, triple-A gaming space. Hell...it's good that we can have this kind of discussion (You'll never see me discussing the merits of say, a Halo story or something). I just don't think they deserve a pass just for trying.

There *is* something here. The beginning 3rd of the game feels like it's going to re-capture the essence of BS1. I was invested in the story-line between the Founders and the Vox....but that conflict ended up being worthless....just window dressing for the multi-verse dreck. That's what white privilege is. That's what racism is. Butcher, and ultimately, undermine the actual plight of minorities in order to boost fantasy-driven rubbish.

If you want to get technical about it, I'll allow the argument that it's not racist, just extremely short-sighted, poorly written, obtuse.....but I don't see why. Invoke the image of real peoples history, fukk it up completely, dump it for self-referential, high-handed, pretentious crap....what ISN'T wrong with the story in this game?

This is somewhat similar to the argument that Spike made against Django. "Slavery wasn't a Spaghetti Western". Unlike Ken Levine however, at least QT didn't have the audacity to try and equate oppressed peoples uprisings to the people that were cracking the whips in the first place. QT leaves no room for debate, the slave-owners are cartoonish, but definitely evil. Levine, for *some* reason, straddles the fence, wants to play his centrist game, wants to find a space between these groups. (The reason being, he's a wealthy white liberal, who while maybe sympathetic towards the plight of minorities, will be DAMNED if he's going to support them actually rocking the boat and trying to change things).

Bioshock Infinite had great graphics, did some other technical things really well, but everything else was lacking compared to BS1. Especially the political implications. A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys >>>> Everything in Bioshock Infinite.
Just beat the game yesterday. Can't see how anybody can argue against this. Jump through tears just to land in the same racist spot brehs.:camby:
 

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Hmm, well, I haven't actually played any of the DLC's yet. I beat the game over the past summer, but my backlog from last gen is still long as shyt (Playing through Skyrim right now).

I'll check it out at some point.

You will be pleased, I'll just say that.

Fred.
 

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Jews aren't a race but that topic is for another forum. I just think it's both silly and befuddling when white folks try to talk about reverse racism.

I'm saying though....who said they was? :wtf:

Fred.
 

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The OG BioShock had me shook, such a great game. Just based off the conversations in this game I might have to cop infinite.
 

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:yeshrug:Like I said earlier, this game being racist never crossed my mind when playing it. It tackled a few racial issues, but that's about it. Both versions of Daisy were like-able to me. Dudes need to stop analyzing shyt too much cuz when you do it enough, your mind will begin to spin any thing you want it to eventually. Just appreciate a great game.

I need to get on that Burial at Sea Episode 2 :banderas:
 
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