Is Brandon Ingram the best young wing prospect in the league?

[Lakerman0834]

Yall really thinking Ingram is comparable to Simmons

Ben Simmons a legit 6'10 PG and is fighting for a playoff spot...

Ingram looks like he is still in high school.

He ain't even the best wing on his own team right now....

Lol casual. Ingram easily best wing on the team. And like sixers are in playoffs due to simmons. Without embiid they have a losing record. Guys lack of shooting is holding the team from greatness

 

[CarltonJunior]

We'll have to see how things play out, it's not like Ingram is a sniper himself anyway. He shoots a nice percentage from 3, but it's on extremely low volume. If we're comparing stats, that's all irrelevant about 3 level scoring. Ben's got a post game which should become more prevelant in the playoffs. Ingram also is in transition more frequently than Simmons, Ben does a ton of work versus set defenses all the time.

If ben doesnt ever finish with his right in the post then hell be in trouble but thats something well have to wait and see about.

 

[AlainLocke]

Lol casual. Ingram easily best wing on the team. And like sixers are in playoffs due to simmons. Without embiid they have a losing record. Guys lack of shooting is holding the team from greatness

Kuzma is better than Ingram

 

[Reid2Achieve]

Bleacher Report just put out a list of who they predict will be All Stars in 5 years.

No Brandon Ingram listed

Predicting the 2023 NBA All-Stars

What is going on??

 

[Left.A1]

Y’all just going to continue to ignore the three and free throw shooting

Act like 2.5 more rebounds and 3 more assists don’t balance out 0% three point percentage from a wing/guard, brehs

A.Ben’s TS% (which combines ft% /3%/2%) still higher than Ingram’s even with Ingram being better at Ft/3s

B. 3 assist = 6 points a game more for his team on 2p FGa ...probably slightly higher because some of those assist lead to 3p FGa

C. Brandon Ingram Only Makes .7 3’s per game ..that’s 2.1ppg for his team ...

6ppg >>> 2ppg .... you nikkas need to learn basic math bruh ... and when you look at percentages you need to look at attempts because making 90% of your shots when you only shoot 1 shot a game is not giving your team the same production as shooting 75% on 15 shots a game even tho one percentage is higher than the other


Like I said their numbers are not comparable... The all around input that Ben is delivering isn't similar to Ingram

RBD%
AST%
STL%
BLK%


Are not close ... perhaps if Ingram dramatically averaged more PPG you could try to make an argument but that’s not the case

 

[CantStop]

Kuzma is better than Ingram

I see why you're in red.

There's legit nothing other than shooting and that's even questionable that Kuzma is better at than BI.

 

[Left.A1]

Because you are leaving out shooting. The most important thing in the modern game. The game is about putting the ball in basket. Simmons can’t do that outside of 5 feet.

Simmons True Shooting percentage is higher than Ingram’s and he averages more/same PPG



Kyle Korver is also a better shooter than Simmons does that mean he’s comparable to Ben because his shooting adangtage overrides everything else?

 

[Reid2Achieve]

A.Ben’s TS% (which combines ft% /3%/2%) still higher than Ingram’s even with Ingram being better at Ft/3s

B. 3 assist = 6 points a game more for his team on 2p FGa ...probably slightly higher because some of those assist lead to 3p FGa

C. Brandon Ingram Only Makes .7 3’s per game ..that’s 2.1ppg for his team ...

6ppg >>> 2ppg .... you nikkas need to learn basic math bruh ... and when you look at percentages you need to look at attempts because making 90% of your shots when you only shoot 1 shot a game is not giving your team the same production as shooting 75% on 15 shots a game even tho one percentage is higher than the other


Like I said their numbers are not comparable... The all around input that Ben is delivering isn't similar to Ingram

RBD%
AST%
STL%
BLK%


Are not close ... perhaps if Ingram dramatically averaged more PPG you could try to make an argument but that’s not the case

What part of raw stats are comparable don’t you understand? Why are you bringing up advanced stats? I’m not even saying Ingram is better than Simmons. Why are Philly fans so offended at them being compared?

You can’t really dive deep in comparisons between the two without context. Simmons has a superstar teammate and shooters while the Lakers are the worse shooting team in the league and Ingram doesn’t have the luxuries that Ben has (we will see how it plays out with IT). Of course Simmons has a couple more assists.

 

[KOBE]

Ingram has been playing point guard for basically the last month now. He’s averaging 5 assists per game over his last 10 games. He’s not a Simmons level playmaker by any means but he definitely isn’t an Otto Porter type.

These brehs dont watch games and it's obvious.


Tatum is nowhere near Ingram. shyt is silly. Could change in a year like it did for Ingram but not right now.

 

[Reid2Achieve]

Simmons True Shooting percentage is higher than Ingram’s and he averages more/same PPG



Kyle Korver is also a better shooter than Simmons does that mean he’s comparable to Ben because his shooting adangtage overrides everything else?

Does Korver also rebound, assist, and defend within a couple integers of Simmons’ stats as well? Was he in the same draft class?

 

[Flight]

16 points off layup lines is cool and he’s a good defender but none of that makes him better than Ingram right now

Calling him a good defender is underrating Simmons breh. He’s a borderline elite defender as a rookie and while Embiid is the anchor of their defense..Simmons ability to guard 4 positions and play the passing lanes is a big part of their success defensively.

 

[Left.A1]

What part of raw stats are comparable don’t you understand? Why are you bringing up advanced stats? I’m not even saying Ingram is better than Simmons. Why are Philly fans so offended at them being compared?

Those stats aren’t really that advanced bruh ...but anyways Outside of PPG Ingram’s raw counting stats aren’t comparable ... why are you trying to lie to yourself and say that they are bruh? Why do people get so offended when you point out flaws in an argument they’re trying to make? Why not just acknowledge the point as flawed?

You can’t really dive deep in comparisons between the two without context. Simmons has a superstar teammate and shooters while the Lakers are the worse shooting team in the league and Ingram doesn’t have the luxuries that Ben has (we will see how it plays out with IT). Of course Simmons has a couple more assists.

Now you are making excuses ... Embiid also played for the Sixers last year ... do you recall any of his teammates averaging 17/8/7 on 54% TS during that period?

The context that you are trying to ignore is that Simmons has more All around ability than Ingram which is why the numbers aren’t comparable and it’s why you are juelzing trying to explain the discrepancies

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Can someone explain to me why Brandon Ingram currently isn’t considered the same level of prospect as Ben Simmons anymore? Ingram has comparable raw stats but the advanced stats lean towards Simmons for some reason. Why is this? My eye test tells me Ingram has a much more well rounded game.

Why isn’t Ingram getting more publicity as a future star? National media talk about the Lakers as if their young core has a lot of question marks (because of Lonzo), but Ingram is looking like he will be a Paul George or Kawhi type of wing very soon. His growth in production at his age and experience actually compares very favorably with George, Giannis, and Kawhi. And he won’t turn 21 until September.

How would you rank these prospects?:

Ingram
Simmons
Tatum
Wiggins
Josh Jackson
Jaylen Brown

@Gil Scott-Heroin @Flight @Poitier @Malta

I think he has the most tools/ability out of all the young prospects, and have been an admirer of his game for a while now. He isn't getting the same recognition as his peers because like the homie @Flight said, "he didn't set the league on fire as a rookie", and as a result has been stuck in the background ever since. His temperament is the only thing that will get in the way of him becoming a star.

 

[Reid2Achieve]

@Left.A1 I didn’t make this thread to argue about Ben Simmons. He’s a great player but it’s my opinion that while Simmons has better stats, Ingram’s aren’t far behind. If a couple more rebounds and assists blow you away then I’ll let you have it. I just want my breh Ingram to get some love.

 

[ALonelyDad]

Ingram also doesn’t have to create offense for others he’s a play finisher like a more aggressive Otto porter right now. He will get better and I think he has borderline all star potential but yeah this year there impact isn’t close.

this is how I know you watch zero laker basketball