Is Carmelo our generations Benard King?

[IWunD3r]

Somehow I think a lot of this is his fault...

He did have Amare for a minute though and an end of career AI.

He had a loaded ass team in denver.
Had he stayed in denver, between the transitioning phase out west denver could of snuck in the finals

 

[NatiboyB]

Yeah the only thing I can say is that Melos lack of success post season wise was his own doing.

 

[Dat916nigga]

We're not in the old school anymore, Pippen established that mutli-dimensional SF's were the future Also, you named 1 dude that won a title, and he averaged 5.5apg in the ABA.


Today, if you're going to build a team around an SF they have to be able to do 2 of 3 things at a high level -

Defend
Score
Play-make


Melo only does one of those things at a high level, just like Nique, King, Gervin, Glenn Robinson, Dantley and Mashburn.

can't disagree with any of this

melo's been my dude since the syracuse days but it is what it is

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

1. I disagree even by your definition. IMO explosiveness describes a players combo of speed, athleticism, and power. But it can also be used to describe scoring ability as well so I get where you're coming from now. That said...BK was not a more dynamic scorer than Melo. Melo is elite at every offensive basketball skill. Handles, long range, mid range, face up, and post. BK didnt have Melo's handle, range, or face up game.

2. Likewise.

Well, going by your definition, Melo I don't feel Melo is more athletic or faster than Bernard, powerful, yes. Bernard was faster on the break with/without the ball, better scorer in the post and much better FG%. Melo does have a better long range shot, handle and foot work off the dribble. Question, if Melo had all of those attributes over King, why couldn't he match prime King's 33ppg, in an much easier era to score? King scored his points in a tougher era (scoring-wise). I'm not discounting your opinion though.

 

[UpAndComing]

To be honest, he'll fit great in Miami, maybe even better than when Lebron was there

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Yes, King was a ridiculously high usage rate player that somehow couldn't average 5apg in a single season during his career, despite how much he had the ball, just like Melo.

If you're going to be a ball dominant SF, you better get me some assists as well. Basically all the SF's that dominated the ball like Melo were Nique, King and Gervin, guys who posted big numbers but could never lead their teams to titles.

Not fair Wilt. Bernard had decent assist numbers, especially for the systems he played in. He was pushed to put the ball in the basket, not to set others up. Those guys you mentioned IMO never had championship teams and they also had to go through much better teams. How was Melo expected to get past Kobe and Duncan, then Lebron, Wade and Boston? How was Nique supposed to get past the Bulls, Pistons or Boston? Gervin getting past the Lakers was laughable. I'm saying, not matter how many assists they would've had, they weren't getting past those teams to even sniff the finals.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Somehow I think a lot of this is his fault...

He did have Amare for a minute though and an end of career AI.

He was very close to being traded to the Nets, the Knicks had to make a move. Amare was hurt majority of his tenure with NYK, let's not forget homie taking himself out of the playoff series against Miami because he punched a fire extinguisher case.

Should've waited to go to NY instead of making them trade their talent

What talent? We got Felton back, and he's one of leagues worst guards. Chandler & Gallinari are FAR from all-star players & have been very injury prone. Gallo hasn't played over 75 games since his 2nd year. And Mozgov isn't & wasn't better that Tyson Chandler or Robin Lopez.

 

[NatiboyB]

He was very close to being traded to the Nets, the Knicks had to make a move. Amare was hurt majority of his tenure with NYK, let's not forget homie taking himself out of the playoff series against Miami because he punched a fire extinguisher case.


What talent? We got Felton back, and he's one of leagues worst guards. Chandler & Gallinari are FAR from all-star players & have been very injury prone. Gallo hasn't played over 75 games since his 2nd year. And Mozgov isn't & wasn't better that Tyson Chandler or Robin Lopez.

chandler and galanari could of still gotten more for the knicks had melo just waited to sign as a free agent....

either way Melo messed up and the knicks messed up...They were both better off waiting even if the Nets traded for him...they were also rumored to have wanted Howard real bad as well.

 

[blackzeus]

Not fair Wilt. Bernard had decent assist numbers, especially for the systems he played in. He was pushed to put the ball in the basket, not to set others up. Those guys you mentioned IMO never had championship teams and they also had to go through much better teams. How was Melo expected to get past Kobe and Duncan, then Lebron, Wade and Boston? How was Nique supposed to get past the Bulls, Pistons or Boston? Gervin getting past the Lakers was laughable. I'm saying, not matter how many assists they would've had, they weren't getting past those teams to even sniff the finals.

How did Dirk do it? Melo is not a true superstar, he ran to historically the worst conference ever in the history of the NBA and can't even make the playoffs How you a respectable NBA player and the Sixers have a better record than you in the East?

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

How did Dirk do it? Melo is not a true superstar, he ran to historically the worst conference ever in the history of the NBA and can't even make the playoffs How you a respectable NBA player and the Sixers have a better record than you in the East?

Dirk did it because he's just flat out better. Plus he had a better coach with a system of players who were UNSELFISH.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

chandler and galanari could of still gotten more for the knicks had melo just waited to sign as a free agent....

either way Melo messed up and the knicks messed up...They were both better off waiting even if the Nets traded for him...they were also rumored to have wanted Howard real bad as well.

What were they going to get for Gallo & Chandler? People love overrating those 2. They were mere role players, nothing more. If he went to the Nets, he was likely going to sign an extension. F*ck a Dwight Howard.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

King's averaged 33 in his prime, Melo never cracked 30. How Sway?

But Melo gets boards, tho

 

[#SOG_soldier]

How did Dirk do it? Melo is not a true superstar, he ran to historically the worst conference ever in the history of the NBA and can't even make the playoffs How you a respectable NBA player and the Sixers have a better record than you in the East?

Melo didn't even play that year

 

[Malta]

Not fair Wilt. Bernard had decent assist numbers, especially for the systems he played in. He was pushed to put the ball in the basket, not to set others up. Those guys you mentioned IMO never had championship teams and they also had to go through much better teams. How was Melo expected to get past Kobe and Duncan, then Lebron, Wade and Boston? How was Nique supposed to get past the Bulls, Pistons or Boston? Gervin getting past the Lakers was laughable. I'm saying, not matter how many assists they would've had, they weren't getting past those teams to even sniff the finals.

That Lakers series is something they could have won, but he was extremely inefficient, his usage rate in that series was higher than Kobe's yet he scored 7 less points and got 2 less assists per game, all while shooting 8% lower from the field. You can't dominate the ball like that and expect to win when you're not even a good defender or passer, it just makes things a lot more difficult than they should be.


That was a winnable series, he was just personified because of the limitations in his game.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

But Melo gets boards, tho

Lol, we're talking about scoring. But he does average .8 more boards than King.