In what world isn't he? Donovan only contributes to losing culture, and makes boneheaded decisions on a regular basis. What is he even good at? Klay is at the very least a monstrous shooter. I been out on DM since I saw his Wade impersonation driving to the basket. Hell no. Nobody winning with this no defense wannabe Wade inefficient chucker.
Is Donovan Mitchell a top 20 player?
- Thread starter Barney Rubble
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Klay isn't over Mitchell.
He's borderline, but enough for the Knicks to give up 6 and 7 1st picks and force a trade to play on a team he doesn't fit on.
He's borderline, but enough for the Knicks to give up 6 and 7 1st picks and force a trade to play on a team he doesn't fit on.
firemanBk
The Manslayer
Cause Klay in 2022 is not Klay from 5 years ago open your eyes
His defense has slipped and he was bricking all playoffs long
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Pass me the rock nikka
He’s not even worse.
He is taken more deep ones and more self created ones. Of his 242 threes last year, 42% were assisted.
For Ant out his 243 threes, 56% were assisted.
No again because Mitchell’s offense is more impactful
You’re looking at raw numbers not how these guys actually get them and impact
FukkaPaidEmail
Retired Hoodrat whisperer
I’m not a Mitchell fan but he’s clearly better than current Klay
If he's not top 20 it's only cause of the amount of talent that is in the NBA and not an indication of what type of player he is. He's proven so far with talent around him that he can take a team to the playoffs and excel.
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My god
How is Gobert responsible for the Jazz having the highest and third highest offensive rating the past two seasons? The Jazz had a 115.6 offensive rating in games played without Gobert last year (high enough to have the second highest ORTG in the league). You can point to Snyder as a contributing factor but Mitchell is the lead creator on a team with capable offensive players but no other offensive dynamos.Mitchell has the individual numbers, the team success and was the driving force behind the best offensive in the league. You can't call his numbers hollow.
Mitchell has the individual numbers, the team success and was the driving force behind the best offensive in the league. You can't call his numbers hollow.
Yeahhh you haven't been paying attention to the Utah Jazz over the years and what's helped make them work. They were one of the best offensive rebounding and free throw shooting attempt teams in the league over the years. The reason why? Gobert as he's literally a low usage player that helps draw fouls and make life easier on the other Jazz players. Not to mention he's been covering the ineffiency that some of those Jazz players have experienced over the years getting them second chance opportunities. Gobert was legit one of the main reasons why they were washing teams all season long just a couple of years ago.
Don't forget that they were still leading the league in offensive rating even when their 3pt shooting tanked. If you're going to use offensive rating at least understand the concept of the team you're using it for
Top 20 player? Nah. Top 30 sure. He’s not a guy you can build your team around and expect to be a title contender. Massive liability defensively and doesn’t look to pass. Really good volume scorer though.
And yet they still had an elite offensive rating in the small sample of games (16) that Gobert missed. Gobert is their most impactful player and certainly a positive on offense but he is not the main reason the Jazz had an elite offense. He's not driving their offense, he's a complementary piece that adds value with screening, offensive rebounding, and vertical spacing. Mitchell was the primary half-court creator on the league's best offense. He's absolutely torched elite defenses in the playoffs in his short career. Here's a thought exercise: does the Jazz offense suffer more if you replace Gobert with an average starting center or Mitchell with an average starting SG? The Jazz would have more success offensively with a player like Steven Adams replacing Gobert (Adams is also an elite screener and averaged more ORB last season than Gobert) than they would with a player like Caris Levert replacing Mitchell.Yeahhh you haven't been paying attention to the Utah Jazz over the years and what's helped make them work. They were one of the best offensive rebounding and free throw shooting attempt teams in the league over the years. The reason why? Gobert as he's literally a low usage player that helps draw fouls and make life easier on the other Jazz players. Not to mention he's been covering the ineffiency that some of those Jazz players have experienced over the years getting them second chance opportunities. Gobert was legit one of the main reasons why they were washing teams all season long just a couple of years ago.
Don't forget that they were still leading the league in offensive rating even when their 3pt shooting tanked. If you're going to use offensive rating at least understand the concept of the team you're using it for
Apportioning Gobert with the most credit for the Jazz's offense is just silly. Their scheme- four shooters and multiple P&R operators surrounding a traditional center is more of a reason why the offense was elite but make no mistake about it: Mitchell was their best offensive player and his game generally improved in the playoffs before this anomalous season.
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