Is drafting an Offensive Lineman with the 1st overall pick a waste of a draft pick?

[yseJ]

The 2 positions that have the most impact on the field are QB and DE.

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first of all , thats your opinion.
second of all, lets apply your own logic here and lets make you a fool

10 highest rated 4-3 DEs by pff this season are:

cameron wake MIA
brandon graham PHI
jason pierre-paul NYG
derrick morgan TEN
john abraham ATL
greg hardy CAR
michael bennet TB
charles johnson CAR
carlos dunlap CIN
lamar houston OAK

how many of these DEs 'translated into wins' ? I only one see TWO top 10 4-3 DE who made the playoffs this year. two, nikka.

 

[xXMASHERXx]

Maybe you got the number pick because your qb got touched and sat out the season

 

[G.O.A.T]

I see where OP is coming from in, hypothetically, if Megatron, Revis, and Joe Thomas/Clady were in the same draft he wouldn't choose the "more important" LT position over the more dynamic and better player. This year in the draft doesn't have the talent for that logic though

 

[CrimsonTider]

why the fukk does it matter ? if you need a tackle, you take a tackle. it's that simple.

your line of thinking gets teams to ruin their franchises by drafting qbs without any oline, defense or weapons and subsequently sucking balls.

all that 'defining franchise' bullshyt is for the birds. 22 starting players on the damn team

It matters because with 1st pick you have every player in draft available to you and chances are you have huge holes in your team.

Teams reach on QBs as they should because if you have an elite QB, picking all the other players are easy.



Name a QB that was/is elite that got ruin because he could not overcome a bad Oline.

Packers and Steelers fans always complain about how garbage

Is that you Jerry Jones?

Jerry Jones wouldn't dare draft a LT if had the #1 pick.

he doesn't have the fear of getting fired though

you select best player available whether it be LT or DT. Tebow energized the fanbase and sold a lot of jerseys. where is that nikka now

What if the "best" player doesn't translate in to wins.

So the dolphins did a great job by selecting the best player in the draft where they had the number 1 pick (Long) instead of reaching for someone who could have made a real difference (Matt Ryan).

The LT are more sure things. The skill position guys slated to go early this year overall are pretty weak.

Parcells fukked up on the Jake Long pick.

Yeah, but the thing is there is a sure chance that the GM will be fired any damn way.

I much rather get fired for trying swinging and missing on a pick like then getting fired because I drafted a LT who was a sure thing but it doesn't = wins.


Let's be real about something.

Take the top 15 LT in the game right? If you put their names in a hat and let the teams pick one to play with next year at random would it make much difference?

 

[chuckifubuck]

Is it really that important though?

Its aknowledged that the Cleveland Browns have the best left Tackle in the game?

Why doesn't that translate in wins, better rushing game or better passing game?

Am I suppose to believe that every single year Brady or P.Manning have the best LT in the game every year.

I don't think it matters much if you have an elite LT vs. a Average LT.


Do you really though? Chances are in the NFL if you are drafting first you have a lot of glaring needs?

The 2 positions that have the most impact on the field are QB and DE.

I just don't see having the best LT in the draft on your team translating into wins or enthusiasm for your team.

The browns suck becuase the whole team is asscheeks. The broncos/pats without brady and manning are still playoff teams.

Why would you reach on a qb in a bad qb draft when you can get a higher rated player at an impprtant position? What good is all this franchise hype gonna do you when the fans are calling for your rookie qbs head by week 9, the team is still terrible and oh look, next years draft has much better qb prospects that you now cant draft

 

[Mr swag]

Ask the dolphins

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Sandra Bullock said it best... " First thing you pay is your mortgage, second thing you pay is your insurance"

you nikkas been playing Madden far too long, thinking that a Left Tackle can't drastically change the future of a franchise.

You think them GSOT Rams teams work with just an average ass LT protecting Kurt Warner?

Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Jon Ogden, Willie Roaf we all wastes of picks... cause they weren't dynamic playmakers and nobody wants to buy their jerseys.

 

[CrimsonTider]

The bold is correct. The red is incorrect.

"Potential" is half the battle of choosing a draft pick. The other half is what they can currently do. If you've got an OT who's a game changer RIGHT NOW, you take that over a playmaker with "potential". Why? Because a playmaker can't do chit if the QB doesn't have time to get him the ball.

A LT is considered a Game Changer?

first of all , thats your opinion.
second of all, lets apply your own logic here and lets make you a fool

10 highest rated 4-3 DEs by pff this season are:

cameron wake MIA
brandon graham PHI
jason pierre-paul NYG
derrick morgan TEN
john abraham ATL
greg hardy CAR
michael bennet TB
charles johnson CAR
carlos dunlap CIN
lamar houston OAK

how many of these DEs 'translated into wins' ? I only one see TWO top 10 4-3 DE who made the playoffs this year. two, nikka.

I feel you on this post and it seems like now more then ever the only thing that determines being able to consistently win in the NFL is what level your QB is playing at.

But, most people do agree that being able to rush the passer is the second most important thing in the NFL

Maybe you got the number pick because your qb got touched and sat out the season

??????

The browns suck becuase the whole team is asscheeks. The broncos/pats without brady and manning are still playoff teams.

Why would you reach on a qb in a bad qb draft when you can get a higher rated player at an impprtant position? What good is all this franchise hype gonna do you when the fans are calling for your rookie qbs head by week 9, the team is still terrible and oh look, next years draft has much better qb prospects that you now cant draft

You're missing my point man,

If you pick that LT and he becomes a top 5 LT you're going to still get fired because a great LT really doesnt affect the result of the game that much like a QB or some of the other positions.

who were the top 10 left tackles going into last season and after the season played out?

 

[Taadow]

Name a QB that was/is elite that got ruin because he could not overcome a bad Oline.

currently?

Mike Vick
Jay Cutler
Carson Palmer

 

[CrimsonTider]

Sandra Bullock said it best... " First thing you pay is your mortgage, second thing you pay is your insurance"

you nikkas been playing Madden far too long, thinking that a Left Tackle can't drastically change the future of a franchise.

You think them GSOT Rams teams work with just an average ass LT protecting Kurt Warner?

Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Jon Ogden, Willie Roaf we all wastes of picks... cause they weren't dynamic playmakers and nobody wants to buy their jerseys.

I'm only talking about 1st overall picks in the entire draft.

So the Dolphins did a good job because they drafted an elite LT instead of reaching for the best QB in the draft and him potentially being a bust?

 

[DeVanteSwing]

Offensive lines can turn guys like Mark Sanchez into Joe Montana

well i exaggerated that but you get it

 

[CrimsonTider]

currently?

Mike Vick
Jay Cutler
Carson Palmer

You think these QBs had bad season because of the OL?

I thought AR and Big Ben had bad OL last year.

So Brady and Manning have an above average line every year?

Luck and RG3 didn't have bad lines?

 

[Trip]

It matters because with 1st pick you have every player in draft available to you and chances are you have huge holes in your team.

Teams reach on QBs as they should because if you have an elite QB, picking all the other players are easy.



Name a QB that was/is elite that got ruin because he could not overcome a bad Oline.

Packers and Steelers fans always complain about how garbage




Jerry Jones wouldn't dare draft a LT if had the #1 pick.

he doesn't have the fear of getting fired though


What if the "best" player doesn't translate in to wins.

So the dolphins did a great job by selecting the best player in the draft where they had the number 1 pick (Long) instead of reaching for someone who could have made a real difference (Matt Ryan).




Yeah, but the thing is there is a sure chance that the GM will be fired any damn way.

I much rather get fired for trying swinging and missing on a pick like then getting fired because I drafted a LT who was a sure thing but it doesn't = wins.


Let's be real about something.

Take the top 15 LT in the game right? If you put their names in a hat and let the teams pick one to play with next year at random would it make much difference?

youre not getting fired for picking Luke Joeckel

now if you took him over Clowney or Luck then thats a different story...but there isnt that blue chip type of prospect this year

 

[Stone]

What if the "best" player doesn't translate in to wins.

So the dolphins did a great job by selecting the best player in the draft where they had the number 1 pick (Long) instead of reaching for someone who could have made a real difference (Matt Ryan).

The flaw in this is that it assumes that Matt Ryan was the difference maker in the Falcons' success and that he'd have been just as good if the Dolphins had taken him.

 

[jaguar paw]

Never a waste because the game is won in the trenches