Is EDM Racist? Convo I started on Twitter all are invited to leave input. (Help this shyt go VIRAL)

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So nobody want to jump in this convo and take it a larger audience on Twitter?
smh. I get so disappointed in this forum sometimes.

y ll complain that no one carries that same energy when it comes for fighting for causes onlline as they do offline..but when someone does...it' obvious you don't care.

You just want somebody to do the things you wish you could do and then support them when all of those things are done and reap the benefits afterwards.

you'
rather complain about things than put action into changing those things. it'. like you love to complain and be victims and not want solutions. you dont got heart like me
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This ain't on us. :ufdup:I think this convo is about 6 years late. Maybe I would have been excited to talk EDM in 2011 but now :russell:. What else would you like us to make viral?:feedme:
 

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This ain't on us. :ufdup:I think this convo is about 6 years late. Maybe I would have been excited to talk EDM in 2011 but now :russell:. What else would you like us to make viral?:feedme:
I feel ya. Haven't fukked with EDM like that since 2012...I'm more of a Detroit techno head on that DREXCIYA shyt...but I need to have people make these culture vulture uncomfortable again and that's gonna happen regardless.

Im so fukking sick of watching black people get hustled and shat on man... i feel like if I can get one of these discussions to go viral there can be some real shyt popping from it....I don' wanna be seeing my people have everything we got get taken away from us I'e been sick of that shyt man. Like it make me angry and depressed and shyt.

I don' want to be watching the next generation of black folk acting like we got to live as victims and watch everything we do and have get stolen and abused and then we left out in some suburb in Gary, Indiana living mad boring and shyt while white motherfukkers stay getting rich and powerful off our shyt man.

like it's gotten to the point I might have to sock somebody man. I'm around way too many passive sedative ass people. And I don' even got any personal agendas behind this man...I'm so sick of black people being forced to let our art and culture slip away into pur oppressors hands while we don't even get shyt but maybe a royalty check or two...while they putting they kids through college.

Not even to be on no Dr. X shyt...but you I refuse to watch a complacent mass of people allow themselves to be written out of history. I'm sick of us having to just fukk with the rap shyt at all and that shyt ain' paying for producers anymore.
if you haven' noticed the options for black people in the.music industry are drying the fukk up because of stuff like this. They won' even let us get behind the scenes. they too scared of our image. but how many of us like minded black folk are really down to support progressive black electronic producers and DJs and actually do it...instead of saying our names in passing just to make us feel better you know of us to throw in conversations like this one. cool. you go to our shows? you bought our records? you know any of our records? you was at that in-store? you saw me open up for that guy at that party in Maspeth on Flushing in 2011? cool. but for most...we invisible.

How many times do I have to sit here and watch black people willingly get fukking hustled out of our shyt?
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I swear to god sometimes I feel like I'm insane for even pointing this out.
I feel guilty for actually bringing this to people's attention cause they would rather not care about the culture and art they give away and then get treated like garbage by the people that are now holding it.
Man...Like I really do feel crazy that I feel that this is wrong and something should be done about it.
I feel so perplexed people would allow it to happen without a fight?
:dwillhuh:
Is it wrong I feel somewhat in the wrong for wanting people to care about This?
considering how much black art and black music is taken from us and then used against us?
You ever get the underhanded racial superiority clause they have off of Our music?
I' be getting sick of all the real black men in the music world...being in rap.
then theirs straight black men like me...the few and far between.
then it' just gay black men trans black people and black women in this scene and that' it.
I support them cause they black but I hate feeling alienated so many damn fukking crowds out here cause we now the minority in the house that we created. I can't go out like this. and what we doing isn't one in the same. since there is such a lack of diversity in the black techno scene around here we don't get booked or they put us on at these weirdo hipster parties. whatever. I talked too much.
 

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I don't think it's racist. How many black people are listening to house and EDM? When you go to the shows how many black people are there? And please no one come in here trying to tell me otherwise. I listen to the music and go to shows, there are barely any black DJ's and not that many patrons at the shows.

Yes, there are house shows with a majority black audience and usually it's an old school show or there is also a black DJ.
I LOVE EDM music and I never seen a follow black person bumping it out their car, or though their headphones on public transportation. I never been to the concerts or clubs for EDM but I'd imagine it would be random token blacks here and there, but the crowd would be 98% white.


Black ppl don't really care for EDM :manny:
 

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I feel ya. Haven't fukked with EDM like that since 2012...I'm more of a Detroit techno head on that DREXCIYA shyt...but I need to have people make these culture vulture uncomfortable again and that's gonna happen regardless.

Im so fukking sick of watching black people get hustled and shat on man... i feel like if I can get one of these discussions to go viral there can be some real shyt popping from it....I don' wanna be seeing my people have everything we got get taken away from us I'e been sick of that shyt man. Like it make me angry and depressed and shyt.

I don' want to be watching the next generation of black folk acting like we got to live as victims and watch everything we do and have get stolen and abused and then we left out in some suburb in Gary, Indiana living mad boring and shyt while white motherfukkers stay getting rich and powerful off our shyt man.

like it's gotten to the point I might have to sock somebody man. I'm around way too many passive sedative ass people. And I don' even got any personal agendas behind this man...I'm so sick of black people being forced to let our art and culture slip away into pur oppressors hands while we don't even get shyt but maybe a royalty check or two...while they putting they kids through college.

Not even to be on no Dr. X shyt...but you I refuse to watch a complacent mass of people allow themselves to be written out of history. I'm sick of us having to just fukk with the rap shyt at all and that shyt ain' paying for producers anymore.
if you haven' noticed the options for black people in the.music industry are drying the fukk up because of stuff like this. They won' even let us get behind the scenes. they too scared of our image. but how many of us like minded black folk are really down to support progressive black electronic producers and DJs and actually do it...instead of saying our names in passing just to make us feel better you know of us to throw in conversations like this one. cool. you go to our shows? you bought our records? you know any of our records? you was at that in-store? you saw me open up for that guy at that party in Maspeth on Flushing in 2011? cool. but for most...we invisible.

How many times do I have to sit here and watch black people willingly get fukking hustled out of our shyt?
:gucci:
I swear to god sometimes I feel like I'm insane for even pointing this out.
I feel guilty for actually bringing this to people's attention cause they would rather not care about the culture and art they give away and then get treated like garbage by the people that are now holding it.
Man...Like I really do feel crazy that I feel that this is wrong and something should be done about it.
I feel so perplexed people would allow it to happen without a fight?
:dwillhuh:
Is it wrong I feel somewhat in the wrong for wanting people to care about This?
considering how much black art and black music is taken from us and then used against us?
You ever get the underhanded racial superiority clause they have off of Our music?
I' be getting sick of all the real black men in the music world...being in rap.
then theirs straight black men like me...the few and far between.
then it' just gay black men trans black people and black women in this scene and that' it.
I support them cause they black but I hate feeling alienated so many damn fukking crowds out here cause we now the minority in the house that we created. I can't go out like this. and what we doing isn't one in the same. since there is such a lack of diversity in the black techno scene around here we don't get booked or they put us on at these weirdo hipster parties. whatever. I talked too much.
Man you are blaming black people with negative net wealth for taking the crumbs we are given when the system is so stacked against us. Fukk just EDM, there's Eminem, Adele, Sam Smith, etc who make 25 times as much revenue with the same talent and production as comparable black artists. No revolution by black people is going to stop that.

It's a numbers game and they outnumber us and have 50 times the wealth and a huge head start in the world due to historical consequences. Don't blame the victim. We are just escaping Jim Crow racism, just getting exposure to college and graduate studies, just finding our footing in a world that thinks we already have too much. Point the blame where it belongs.
 

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Not good enough. WE SHOULD BE MAKING MILLIONS OFF OF THIS ART AND NOT RELEGATED TO FOOTNOTS AND TABLESCRAPS.
convo needs to go viral.
fukk this complacent sorry flabby and sick BS.
this is why we still stay getting hustled.
fukk that.
:camby:

GET THIS TWITTER DISCUSSION VIRAL


First of you buggin. You taking this shiit too deep. "EDM" is just this era "Techno", "Electronica":mjlol: . Remember in the 90's, where anyone who didn't know a thing about Electronic music(hate this term too), would call anything from House to Jungle, Techno.

And then when the Techno phase died down, it was the Electronica where once again it was the New wave of commercial dance trash that White Americans latched on to.

And now its the EDM era.

You spin and make House and Techno. Why are you worried about something that really has nothing to do with you.

What you do musically has nothing to do with EDM.
 

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I don't think it's racist. How many black people are listening to house and EDM? When you go to the shows how many black people are there? And please no one come in here trying to tell me otherwise. I listen to the music and go to shows, there are barely any black DJ's and not that many patrons at the shows.

Yes, there are house shows with a majority black audience and usually it's an old school show or there is also a black DJ.


House music was created in Chicago by Dj Frankie Knuckles.

Dj Frankie Knuckles is the Godfather of House music:blessed::

Frankie Knuckles, 'Godfather of House Music,' Dead at 59

Remembering the life and legacy of the man who birthed every aspect of electronic dance music culture

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Frankie Knuckles Claire Greenway/Getty Images
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April 1, 2014
Nobody can agree on who invented the blues or birthed rock & roll, but there is no question that house music came from Frankie Knuckles, who died Monday afternoon of as-yet-undisclosed causes at age 59. One of the Eighties and Nineties' most prolific house music producers and remixers, Knuckles is, hands down, one of the dozen most important DJs of all time. At his Chicago clubs the Warehouse (1977-82) and Power Plant (1983-85), Knuckles’ marathon sets, typically featuring his own extended edits of a wide selection of tracks from disco to post-punk, R&B to synth-heavy Eurodisco, laid the groundwork for electronic dance music culture—all of it.

Frankie Knuckles: 5 defining tracks from the Chicago house pioneer


Knuckles made an abundant number of dance classics, including early Jamie Principle collaborations "Your Love"(1986) and "Baby Wants to Ride"(1987); "Tears"(1989), with Satoshi Tomiiee and Robert Owens; "The Whistle Song"(1991); and his remixes of Chaka Khan’s "Ain’t Nobody"(1989), Sounds of Blackness’s "The Pressure" (1992), and Hercules and Love Affair’s "Blind" (2008).

Born Francis Nicholls in the Bronx on January 18, 1955, Knuckles began hitting New York’s after-hours spots such as the Loft, the Sanctuary, Better Days, and Tamburlaine—the clubs where disco was born—as a teenager, along with his best friend, Larry Philpot. By the mid-Seventies, both of them were DJs themselves, and Philpot had changed his surname to Levan. The duo worked together at two of the most important early discos: the Gallery (presided over by Nicky Siano, whose smooth on-beat mixing style was enormously influential) and the Continental Baths, a multi-room gay bathhouse on Manhattan’s West Seventy-fourth Street. (Two other entertainers got their start there: Bette Midler and her pianist, Barry Manilow.)

By 1977, both started their own clubs in difference cities. While Levan (who died in 1992) helmed the Paradise Garage in Soho, Knuckles moved to Chicago, where Robert Williams, an old friend of both, was opening what became the Warehouse. A narrow building with oblong windows at 206 South Jefferson St. (today it’s a law office), the Warehouse was where Knuckles began honing his sound and style—"a wide cross-section of music," as he told The Guardian in 2011. His mélange of disco classics, weird indie-label soul curiosities, the occasional rock track, European synth-disco and all manner of rarities would eventually be codified (at Importes, Etc., the record shop where Knuckles bought much of his music) as "House Music"—short, of course, for the Warehouse. (In 2004, the block where the Warehouse stood was renamed Honorary Frankie Knuckles Way.)



Frankie Knuckles Live @ The Warehouse - 28-08-1981 by R_Co on Mixcloud


At a time when Saturday Night Fever had cranked up disco’s profile till it blanketed pop culture, Knuckles favored the music’s weirdoes and rebels. He spun tracks on independent labels like Salsoul and cheesy-exotic synth-disco from Italy. He liked things floridly dramatic and stark (First Choice’s "Let No Man Put Asunder," Black Ivory’s "Mainline"); he liked party conviviality (Positive Choice’s wonderfully loose "We Got the Funk"); he liked genuine strangeness (Two Man Sound’s heavily phased "Que Tal America"). Working with reel-to-reel tape, he’d re-edit his favorite tracks to extend the grooves for his dance floor. "It wasn’t traditional disco like Donna Summer," Jesse Saunders, another Chicago DJ of the time, said in 1995. "It was really R&B."

It was also enormously influential. Chicago was a DJ town, with local radio broadcasting several mix shows starting in the late Seventies, and nearly every jock in the city bowed to Frankie. One of the city’s most popular jocks was Farley Keith Williams—then "Funkin'" Farley Keith of WBMX-FM’s Hot Mix 5 DJ team, and later a Chicago house hit-maker as Farley "Jackmaster" Funk. "Honestly, when I started, I didn't go out buying new records," Farley said in 2008. "I went out and regurgitated what Frankie Knuckles would play."

Knuckles was so popular that the Warehouse—initially a members-only club for largely black gay men—began attracting straighter, whiter crowds, leading its owner, Robert Williams, to eschew memberships. Knuckles left in November 1982, opening the Power Plant a few months later. Not long after that, a fast-talking young DJ from Detroit named Derrick May, who’d recently been knocked flat after hearing Knuckles for the first time, sold Frankie a drum machine to further enhance his mixes—something several DJs in Chicago (and Detroit) were already doing.

That combination of bare, insistent drum machine pulse and an overlay of cult disco classics just about defines the sound of early Chicago house music—a sound many young local producers were beginning to mimic in the studio by 1985. That year, Knuckles made his first recordings with an ethereal-voiced, Prince-obsessed singer-songwriter named Byron Walford, a.k.a. Jamie Principle. The pair’s early tracks were recorded in the Power Plant DJ booth, but they soon graduated to local studios. Several of their songs together wound up released by the local label Trax Records—without the artists’ permission, as both Knuckles and Principle later insisted; it's just one example of the cutthroat business practices at the dark heart of early house music.



Frankie Knuckles - WBMX Friday Night Jams 1986 by Sarah Davies on Mixcloud


But the music wasn’t just popular in the city’s clubs or party-rental spaces. Chicago house blew up in England in 1986, with Farley "Jackmaster" Funk and Daryl Pandy's "Love Can’t Turn Around," hitting the U.K. Top Ten and J.M. Silk’s "Jack Your Body" going to Number One in January 1987. "I remember being interviewed by a journalist in '86," Knuckles told Bill Brewster and Frank Broughton in The Record Players: DJ Revolutionaries. "And I remember telling her this music’s gonna be around for a while. It’s gonna take it a long time for it to get to where it needs to be at, but it’ll be around for a long time."

Though the dance charts were about as far as most Chicago house titles went in their home country, house music—as well as Detroit techno, the style Derrick May was helping pioneer—not only yielded actual chart hits overseas, they fueled a new style of clubbing. In the summer of 1987, a group of English DJs—including Paul Oakenfold and Danny Rampling—traveled to the Mediterranean island of Ibiza and were turned on to both a more expansive playlist than usual, thanks to DJ Alfredo of the open-air club Amnesia, and a new drug: MDMA, or Ecstasy. Bringing that combo back to England, Rampling’s Shoom club, followed by Oakenfold’s Spectrum, birthed what the Brits called "raves": enormous gatherings, usually in warehouses or open fields, of kids wearing smiley-face T-shirts while dancing all night, often on Ecstasy, to house and techno.

Knuckles wasn't interested. In 1988, he returned home to New York and took on a series of club residencies—the World, the Roxy, the Sound Factory, and Sound Factory Bar (a different venue) among them—and teamed up with manager Judy Weinstein and fellow DJ David Morales (who’d filled in for Levan at the Paradise Garage) to form Def Mix Productions, a studio umbrella that altered the job description of a club remixer. Rather than simply change the arrangement or even grafting a new track onto an existing song, Knuckles and Morales would remake the source material from the ground up, even bringing the artist back in to cut a new vocal. Eric Kupper, a keyboardist and producer who worked on many of Knuckles’ great Nineties recordings, said that Frankie’s work "had a little more of an arrangement going on" than Morales'.

said in 2011. "All the programmers I worked with were all classically trained musicians . . . I was teaching them a different side of what it is they do. Infusing certain ideas like Debussy-esque piano over a very thick house track or bass line is something that blew their minds. It blew mine, too, but it’s something they never imagined and/or heard of before . . . We didn’t know if it would work or not, but it did."

Though Knuckles kept up a heavy DJ schedule throughout his career, health problems, as well as the waning popularity of his type of traditionalist house music, led to his quieting down on the production front in the 2000s. In July 2008, Knuckles’ right foot was amputated: He’d broken it during a 2000 snowboarding accident in Switzerland, leading to a bone disease exacerbated by late-breaking diabetes.

But that year, Knuckles' profile got a significant bump. For one thing, younger DJs and producers were discovering vintage Chicago house music, from Knuckles’ tracks to mid-Nineties "ghetto house" on labels like Dance Mania. For another, Knuckles released his remix of Hercules and Love Affair’s "Blind" that year—a deeply moving version that tops an already great original. Knuckles was "considered a huge risk" to work on the track, DFA co-head Jonathan Galkin said in 2011: "Is he gonna get it? He's a main room remixer a lot of times . . . So going to that guy for our indie leftfield disco record? He knocked it out of the park."

More recently, Knuckles was regularly hitting the global club and (occasionally) festival circuit—and regularly converting kids who’d never heard of the Warehouse. Exhibit A: His sizzling Boiler Room session from April 2013. "When he was defining house music, all of us were running around the Christmas tree with a fukking toy drum," went the introduction. "So show some love, show some respect—throw yourself in the dirt for Frankie!"

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I don't think it's racist. How many black people are listening to house and EDM? When you go to the shows how many black people are there? And please no one come in here trying to tell me otherwise. I listen to the music and go to shows, there are barely any black DJ's and not that many patrons at the shows.

Yes, there are house shows with a majority black audience and usually it's an old school show or there is also a black DJ.


black people listen to edm/house all of the time
 

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black people listen to edm/house all of the time

I like EDM and house music. EDM and house music is big in the chicago and baltimore:



Chicago had juke music also:


@CHICAGO tell them wasup about house music in chicago. But I think juke music died down.
 
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