Is Ginobili top 10 SG of all time?

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Manu has been just as clutch bruh.

No he hasn't.

Lets be real, besides being a better shooter, what does Reggie do better than Manu?

First off, Reggie is the most overrated dude since them grits in a shoecase, but this is an inequitable way of looking at it, especially since Manu is the better passer/creating shots for others. Yeah you could argue that Ginbobili is more technically skilled across the board, but Reggie had 'success' as the #1 option for most of his career - Manu built his career on being a third option, regardless of it being due to lack of talent or things outside of his control..... he's never had that success.

 

[malbaker86]

He should've gotten Finals MVP in 2005, he made so many big plays in that series

Yep I remembering thinking he would win or they'd share the award. Dude was MONEY. I'm not saying people can't use the "he didn't have to carry the workload like others did" against him, I get that. The thing though is we've seen him enough over the years to know that if he did have to carry the load, he could do it.

 

[Taadow]

No he hasn't.


First off, Reggie is the most overrated dude since them grits in a shoecase, but this is an inequitable way of looking at it, especially since Manu is the better passer/creating shots for others. Yeah you could argue that Ginbobili is more technically skilled across the board, but Reggie had 'success' as the #1 option for most of his career - Manu has never done that, regardless of it being due to lack of talent or things outside of his control..... he's never had that success.

Thank you.

And other dude said Reggie didn't get anywhere until Larry Brown...well how much of Manu's success is Pops? Dudes don't wanna play that game...

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So I could say the same for Kobe, Wade, etc, no?

The point being?

 

[superunknown23]

@ Manu being better than The Glyde

Debate with kids who started watching the NBA around 2003 breh

 

[GreatestLaker]

Clyde Drexler had seasons where he averaged 27/8/6/3 on 50% shooting and dudes are trying to say Manu was better?

 

[malbaker86]

Carrying them anywhere breh, we're discussing a guy who can't play lots of minutes, and that hurts his standing


Don't get it twisted, I know Manu put in work every championship run, even when he averaged 9 points in the playoffs playing close to 30 minutes a game. he has great handles, good vision, good attitude, and is good enough shooter... but you're bugging if you don't think there are 10+ guys in the history of the NBA who could've played his role and won 4 championships

And to your last point, i'm viewing it from the other side of the spectrum as in he could of very well put up the same stats like Ray Allen did (using him as an example) had he been in a position like Ray was in Seattle.

The point being?

Don't hold Manu getting drafted to the Spurs and being able to play with Duncan AGAINST him if you're aren't going to do it for other people.

 

[GreatestLaker]

And to your last point, i'm viewing it from the other side of the spectrum as in he could of very well put up the same stats like Ray Allen did (using him as an example) had he been in a position like Ray was in Seattle.



Don't hold Manu getting drafted to the Spurs and being able to play with Duncan AGAINST him if you're aren't going to do it for other people.

No he wouldn't have. His body couldn't handle those type of minutes and he wasn't as good as Seattle/Milwaukee Ray Allen.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Spurs were old, 4 years passed since their first title and constantly getting bytched out by LA in the playoffs before Manu came. The Spurs weren't this top flight, elite beloved organization when he got to SA.

What's this got to do with anything? His level of importance still wasn't as high as Parker and Duncan.

You can't say he wouldn't have the half the team success without the Spurs cause the Spurs don't get 4 more titles without him, his rookie year they won the chip. Only thing fortuitous about Manu's career is that he fell to 57 in the draft. He was an elite player that willingly decided to play the background and he benefited from it.

Of course I can say that, where else would he have won titles over the same stretch? The Spurs don't win 4 titles without Duncan or Parker or Pop, well before Manu evens comes into consideration of weighing him as some difference-making piece. You're completely overvaluing a #3 option, who only averages 27 mpg for his entire career.

He could've easily went somewhere else, averaged 25 ppg and not won shyt like these other nikkas named in the thread.

No he couldn't - he doesn't have the scoring skillset to put those sort of numbers up for an extended period of time. Plus if he played somewhere else he probably wouldn't have lasted as long either.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Don't hold Manu getting drafted to the Spurs and being able to play with Duncan AGAINST him if you're aren't going to do it for other people.

What other people are you talking about here? I hope to dear god you ain't talking about Kobe and Wade.

 

[Jplaya2023]

You right cause none of them have 4 rings like Manu do...

Sent Ray into witness protection and he so shook he won't outright say he will retire but he also won't come back and play right now cause he scared of this happening to him again

You bringing up manu having 4 rings as if he was the main reason why this happened :foh:

i guess horry > jordan then right?



Starting a team no one is taking manu over those 3.

 

[Da King]

You bringing up manu having 4 rings as if he was the main reason why this happened :foh:

i guess horry > jordan then right?



Starting a team no one is taking manu over those 3.

Manu could have easily won finals MVP in 2005

he's a first ballot HOFer, doesn't matter what you hating cacs think :duncan:

:duncan:

 

[Jplaya2023]

Manu could have easily won finals MVP in 2005

he's a first ballot HOFer, doesn't matter what you hating cacs think :duncan:

:duncan:

"hating cacs"

*looks at arms*

*looks at dikk*

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Yes he is

He really isn't at all. Reggie Miller is overrated as hell because of his memorable playoff games at MSG. He's obviously one of the elite GOAT shooters, but that's where it stops. He had no penetration ability and gave you nothing on defense.

Ginobili can shoot, has a mid range game, can get to the rack at will, has more athleticism, can get steals and disrupt on the defensive end, can pass better than most starting PGs, and is just as tenacious a competitor.

 

[Bledswole]

He really isn't at all. Reggie Miller is overrated as hell because of his memorable playoff games at MSG. He's obviously one of the elite GOAT shooters, but that's where it stops. He had no penetration ability and gave you nothing on defense.

Ginobili can shoot, has a mid range game, can get to the rack at will, has more athleticism, can get steals and disrupt on the defensive end, can pass better than most starting PGs, and is just as tenacious a competitor.

Ginobli is the better talent for sure, but him being rated over Miller, no you cant do that, Miller carried his teams to the playoffs as the #1 option,Manu was the 6th man, 3rd or 4th option most of the time.

Miller has had season where he was averaging close 25 per game shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3
Manu's best season was 19 per game on 46% from the field shooting and 40% from 3

If Manu was a starter and played heavy minutes would he be rated over Miller? Probably so, but this is not a game of what if's, all we can go by is what was produced and what is seen.

On second thought you can probably go either way,but I gotta give the nod to Miller,best shooter imo,and stupid clutch,8 seasons of 20+ppg shooting 40%+ from 3 in 6 of those seasons and shooting 50%+ from the field in four of them.