Is It Safe to Say Dame Has Passed Up Kyrie and Steph?

[rbksNgirbauds]

Dame has hit two game winners in the playoffs, and three great playoff series: '14 1st Rd vs Houston (W); '16 Semis vs GS (L); '19 1st Rd vs OKC (W). Here's the rest of his postseason career:

•gentlemen swept by SA in '14 Semis while shooting 41% from the field and 17% from three, averaging 19.8 (season average was 20.7 shooting .424/.394 and the previous series vs Houston was 25.5 on .468/.489)...

•gentlemen swept by Memphis in 1st Rd while going 21.6/4/4.6 on .406/.161 shooting (regular season he was 21/4.6/6.2 on .434/.343)...

•caught a broken Clippers team for his first series win as a #1 in '16 and was still outplayed H2H in the games Chris Paul played in, averaged 22/4.2/5.2 on .374/.347 shooting (regular season he was 25/4/6.8 on .419/.375)...

•outplayed H2H by Steph while getting swept as an 8 seed in '17; .433/.281 shooting..

•thoroughly outplayed by Jrue and Rondo in an '18 1st Rd sweep by Nola, dont even have to post the embarrassing stats here...

•after going off for 33/4.4/6 on .461/.481 vs OKC, fell to 24.1/4.9/6.9 on .395/.317 vs Denver and GS, getting outplayed by Steph H2H (again)...

We can go to specific games if you want to because he has plenty of stinkers...

Since Aldridge left in '15, Dame has been a #1 for 5 years and has a 3-4 series record and a total record of 13-22 (.371). Think about that, three playoff series wins in 5 years, two legendary playoff moments that both came in the 1st Rd, now he's Cobra Clutch Killer?

If we want to say he's only behind Steph now fine, theres no way he's greater than Steph without more consistent winning, which obviously isnt happening this year. As it is, in the PG-rich era of the '10s he's no higher than 4th at best as Steph, Westbrook, and Paul were the defining points of the era with much more of an impact on the sport. The thing he has in his favor is all three of those guys are aging out, Dame is younger and still has time to clean up his resume...

If only every player had the same low bar to be considered as graciously as yall regard Dame. He's a great player. He hasn't proven to be consistently great in the playoffs or impact the game to a legendary level like other contemporaries of his same era...

And this is the real offense committed by this newly formed Dame fan club....he literally gets held to no standard. Yet gets lauded as if he’s greater than players that are actually expected to transfer their reg season success to the postseason. He’s graded on a curve and thus always in a win win. On the rare occasions that he actually performs “Dametime....he a killer ; is he actually better than Steph? “
But when he inevitably shyts the bed it’s all sorts of pleas copped “Now u kno his team ain’t that good ; he needs more help “


Take the WCF of last year for example. The splits were deadass 36 ppg on 47% to 22 on sub 40% and this is allegedly a debate cuz that matchup wasn’t fair due to the teams
These dudes expect u to forget that Portland was a 3 seed and that he got outplayed by his sidekick just the series prior

Forget that outside of Steph Klay and Dray nikkas like :
Iggy
Livingston
and dudes like
Jonas Jerekbo, Quinn Cook, and McKinney were being heavily depended upon by GS

Forget that despite Dame playin like shyt, his “trash” team held double digit leads in all but one game I believe (if not all 4). And jacked a 20 point lead in one of them games if my memory serves me

He’s a regular season warrior at this point . Anybody else would get lambasted if they had his resume...:but noooo not Dame, nikkas are deeply in love wit his whole Robinhood/underdog persona

 

[Broad Street Bully]

Dumbass hot take nikkas, I hate you nikkas

 

[steph_harden]

KD was 4-18 against LeBron over a decade span Then goes to GS and suddenly goes 11-2 against him. That alone should tell u how huge a supporting cast is.....unless u think KD magically became 10 times better

Same thing applies to Dame vs Steph...of course the numbers are gonna look lopsided in favor of Steph...his teams were much better from top to bottom

But if u level the playing field you’d see Dame does more for his team individually than Steph does and can carry his team in a way that Steph never has.

Steph has 6 50 point games. Dame has 6 50 point games...this year.
Steph ain’t never even seen 60

I get that Steph has the pedigree....but he also been lucky. Would he be that same guy if he was on the Blazers with CJ and Melo? I thinks not

 

[Don Homer]

Y’all ain’t shyt

Steph is clearly the best PG in the league

dame hasn’t beaten Steph in the playoffs even ONCE

excluding the KD warriors from 2017, fame still loses to Steph 6x

the 15-16 and 18-19 warriors played dame and they lost every time Steph played

this ain’t even close.

 

[SPACE IS FAKE]

Leadership alone Without factoring everything else I’m taking dame over ky

said this aboutt a year ago

as for steph...i gotta see dude in action again

 

[FS4LFE]

1) Curry
2) Dame
3) Kyrie
4) Westbrook
5) CP3

curry is better than dame but people using the Warriors team record against the blazers isn’t the reason why. put Dame alongside Durant Klay and even Draymond and he’d look amazing. Not taking anything away from Curry but the best player Dame has played with is CJ McCollum.

 

[Remote]

So this thread is in light of Dame's wild game last night. And I'm sure the idea is that Dame is this wild scorer, which, on certain nights he is.

In terms of highs...

Dame has 5 games of 50+ points.
Curry has 4 games of 50+ points.

Maybe it's just perception but Steph can go off every bit as much as Dame can.

In any case, both are great players and a tier above Kyrie. Though I might argue that Kyrie's role is different on his teams.

 

[Point Blank]

OP setting himself up for failure

 

[Keengcong]

GREAT performance but... It won’t mean a thing if the Grizz win 1 of the play in games for the 8th spot.

And you nikkas are wild disrespectful to a back to back MVP, 3x champ, all star game captain.


The Warriors and Nets gonna be title contenders next year and the Blazers might miss the playoffs. I wanna see homey work on making his teammates better players.

 

[Don Homer]

Dame has had multiple chances to take down Steph and it failed

the ‘19 WCF showed that. He was trash that series

hell he was trash vs Denver in the 2nd round. If CJ didn’t put that team on his back and lead, they go home round 2

Steph ain’t out here getting swept vs a 6 seed when he’s the 3 seed

not only that, dame NEEDS to have the ball to be effective. Steph's most underrated skill is His ability to move off-ball. PG’s like dame and Westbrook are useless if the ball ain’t in their hands. Steph fukks up defensive schemes just by running off screens

also Steph doesn’t put up 60-point games bc he doesn’t take as many shots as dame or a James Harden. He’s seen more success and beaten them in playoff series constantly by playing in his system and being unselfish.

EDIT: not to mention, whenever Steph goes off, the warriors are usually running the other team off the court. So Steph gets sent to the bench.

If Steph played 4 full quarters during his Unanimous year, he would have harden-levels of 50+ point games. The warriors were winning games in 3 quarters so Steph got to sit down

during the Washington Wizards game where he hit 11 3’s, he didn’t play the 4th quarter. Cuz it’s not about getting points. It’s about winning the games. And that’s what he’s been able to do and Dame hasn’t

 

[Don Homer]

Game 7 playoff game
Dame
Kyrie
Steph

build a team around
Steph
Dame
Kyrie

Dame was trash in his only g7 vs Denver

steph was one rebound away from a triple dbl in the 2018 WCF vs HOU

he was great vs OKC in g7 2016

granted he wasn’t good in 2016 g7 of the finals, but Dame has NEVER gotten that far.

so you’d take Dame who has little to no exp in playoff game 7 (bc he keeps losing) over someone who has gotten to that point and won more often than not?

 

[Don Homer]

Off pure ability he does belong. nikkas were ranking Kyrie over Dame back when he was with the Cavs. Lots of folks still think he better but been "unlucky"



Dame has had legendary moments in the playoffs. There's no way you can say this

Also has had huge losses
losing to the 6 seeded pelicans without Boogie when you have home court is a big playoff blemish

not just losing, getting SWEPT

 

[mastermind]

fascinating seeing people talk about Steph's supporting cast w/o KD, while in other discussions Draymond is an overrated role player who would fade into irrelevance on any other team and Klay is a super 3&D player who would struggle if he were put in a position to lead a team.

Indeed

 

[OnFleekTing]

Dame gotta win something
He's top 10 but he gotta win a ring to go top 5 with steph and kyrie
at least when you talking about guards in the league

 

[murksiderock]

the best player Dame has played with is CJ McCollum.

Wrong, Pdx hasn't done a great job building around him but the best player he had was when Aldridge was the #1 his first three years...

In two playoff years as the #2 guy he was 22.5/4.8/5.9 on .428/.317/.857 shooting and 17.8 FGA; 112/115 ORtg/DRtg; 18 PER, .549 TS%, .103 WS48. Pdx had a 1-2 (.333) series record and a 6-10 (.375) overall record with Dame at #2...

He's obviously a better player today than he was a half decade ago, so in four postseasons as the Blazers main guy he's 25.9/4.5/5.9 on .397/.364/.876 shooting, 20.9 FGA; 108/114 ORtg/DRtg; 18.8 PER, .542 TS%, and .090 WS48. Pdx has a 3-4 series record (.429) and 13-22 overall record (.371)...

Dame can't be the best player on a championship team and I mentioned this over a year ago in a Dame thread. The sooner Pdx realizes this the better they can build to his strengths. Pdx has the same shytty playoff record with him as your lead guy as they did with him as your #2, and they've mishandled bringing in another talent to complement his strengths...

He has Steph range without Steph accuracy, he's a worse team defender than Steph, he chokes more often than Steph in the playoffs (Dame has never done anything of note outside the 1st Rd), the list goes on and on...

The fact that people are even questioning if he's better than Steph is prisoner of the moment shyt. He’s an 8-year vet. He's had time to prove he's greater than Steph, he not getting that distinction for one year where Steph was unable to play, when Steph has been clearly superior for the duration of Dame's career...

shyt is nonsense...

Dame has had multiple chances to take down Steph and it failed

the ‘19 WCF showed that. He was trash that series

hell he was trash vs Denver in the 2nd round. If CJ didn’t put that team on his back and lead, they go home round 2

Steph ain’t out here getting swept vs a 6 seed when he’s the 3 seed

not only that, dame NEEDS to have the ball to be effective. Steph's most underrated skill is His ability to move off-ball. PG’s like dame and Westbrook are useless if the ball ain’t in their hands. Steph fukks up defensive schemes just by running off screens

also Steph doesn’t put up 60-point games bc he doesn’t take as many shots as dame or a James Harden. He’s seen more success and beaten them in playoff series constantly by playing in his system and being unselfish.

Dame was trash in his only g7 vs Denver

steph was one rebound away from a triple dbl in the 2018 WCF vs HOU

he was great vs OKC in g7 2016

granted he wasn’t good in 2016 g7 of the finals, but Dame has NEVER gotten that far.

so you’d take Dame who has little to no exp in playoff game 7 (bc he keeps losing) over someone who has gotten to that point and won more often than not?

Preach! Make it make sense for these dudes...

Dame gotta win something
He's top 10 but he gotta win a ring to go top 5 with steph and kyrie
at least when you talking about guards in the league

Dame is a Top 10 player based on this season. And he's probably currently a Top 3 point (I'm putting Steph and Luka ahead of him)...

For me it aint about getting a ring, you can't have as many meltdowns in the playoffs as he has had, he's gotta clean that up and be more consistent in the playoffs. He not some killer in money time, there isn't a pattern of him doing that in his postseason career, he did it once in '14, and did it once in '19, both in 1st Rd series. He’s had many more instances of being swept out or beaten badly while playing horribly and missing in money time, losing as a favorite, being thoroughly outplayed by his match, etc...

This Dame love is off the wall when he's consistently shown himself to be the opposite of what people say he is, when it really matters...

Thru 8 years he's a regular season warrior. Show me something different, and not necessarily a title cause he not getting that in Portland, just consistent greatness in the playoffs, before we start saying he on the level of a guy who has performed beyond Round One and a guy who has had regular season peaks way higher than this dude...