Is Jay-Z sabotaging J. Cole?

[2manyFCKNrappers]

I mean Cole has kinda been stinkin it up lately but you're buggin if you don't think there is a "shadow"

Hov' ain't in the way. Cole is a young dude who had the light he just didn't shine....Drake and Cole both got spots on BP3...Drake got a hook and Cole had an intriguing verse that made people want to know more. As hot was Wayne was Drake could've easily let that shadow excuse get in his way.

Cole, like most of the guys who came in between 07'-09' ended up being just above underwhelming and decent enough to not totally waste everyone's time.

 

[King Biko]

after hov failed to give him a verse

Hov is on his first album. And he was on blueprint 3 as an introduction. I think that's enough he's already stamped him, let cole be an artist and not just jays artist.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

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[King Biko]

Hov' ain't in the way. Cole is a young dude who had the light he just didn't shine....Drake and Cole both got spots on BP3...Drake got a hook and Cole had an intriguing verse that made people want to know more. As hot was Wayne was Drake could've easily let that shadow excuse get in his way.

Cole, like most of the guys who came in between 07'-09' ended up being just above underwhelming and decent enough to not totally waste everyone's time.

J cole is very dope, I honestly don't understand the hate on here. I know it's cool 2 say he boring blah blah blah, his music is entertaining to who it is entertaining to. To me most of the nikkas y'all big up be boring to me(ie the over the top trap songs and the drill shyt and a lot more). Most cole song give me intellectual thought after I hear them, and that's the type of shyt that interest me more than anything.

The game has given and can get a lot worst than j cole, we should appreciate him as an artist for what he is.

 

[King Biko]

you mean the same album that he said Drake had next but failed to mention his own artist?

Did u miss the part of that post "let cole be an artist and not just jays artist". fukk jay z personal opinions on dude and just focus on the music.

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

he wants him to feel like he's #2 throughout his prime like Jay always was...so far its worked. Cole aint a mega star but he got a couple hits that i wouldnt have expected out of him.

 

[King Biko]

he wants him to feel like he's #2 throughout his prime like Jay always was...so far its worked. Cole aint a mega star but he got a couple hits that i wouldnt have expected out of him.

Honestly I don't think cole cares about being the number 1 rapper out dude just makes dope shyt for his fan base 2 enjoy, that's why they go and support him

 

[Enchanted]

Hov' ain't in the way. Cole is a young dude who had the light he just didn't shine....Drake and Cole both got spots on BP3...Drake got a hook and Cole had an intriguing verse that made people want to know more. As hot was Wayne was Drake could've easily let that shadow excuse get in his way.

Cole, like most of the guys who came in between 07'-09' ended up being just above underwhelming and decent enough to not totally waste everyone's time.

The difference between the Wayne/Drake and Cole/Hov situation was that Wayne was puttin Drake on HARD. They were on tons of songs together and he was biggin him up OD.

 

[CELL]

If Friday Night Lights was an album

Cole would be a bigger star than Kendrick right now as the king of the new school.

Too deep for the intro is just

That song optimises the smiley

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

IMO
... that shyt would never happen with someone else (ie: Dr Dre)

I can understand that, but besides Bleek Hov' never appointed a direct protege. He never gave anyone that stamp. He wanted it and waited for it and didn't rise to the occasion. BP3 was takeoff time and Cole was taking the safe route and dropping mixtape after mixtape. He himself in interviews and songs tells all of the opportunities he squandered by acting scary. Hov' wasn't in the way. I think at that time more than ever he was willing to take a nikka under his wing. Ye' was rising beyond his influence and he probably wanted another person to borrow/deebo concepts from/mentor (that's my GOAT tho )

I just think Cole froze up at a critical time. It may have not been as obvious back then but I can see it now. He had the greenlight and all eyes were on him. Sometimes when you get the thing you never thought you'd get, when it finally comes it seems so unreal that you're afraid to touch it. Cole's story of him waiting outside to pass Hov' a CD then getting rejected, only to get signed later is one of those surreal moments a undiscovered artist only dreams about. Cole world had cold feet. Now the nikkas on thin ice

 

[Enchanted]

I can understand that, but besides Bleek Hov' never appointed a direct protege. He never gave anyone that stamp. He wanted it and waited for it and didn't rise to the occasion. BP3 was takeoff time and Cole was taking the safe route and dropping mixtape after mixtape. He himself in interviews and songs tells all of the opportunities he squandered by acting scary. Hov' wasn't in the way. I think at that time more than ever he was willing to take a nikka under his wing.

Now this is where you're wrong because Hov WAS IN THE WAY. He was the one preventing Cole from dropping his debut which goes back to what I said in the OP. He wouldn't let Cole put out an album til he had a big single which is why the album kept getting delayed and why he had to put out mixtapes instead (FNL). Most of the songs on FNL were supposed to be on the debut which goes back to what I said about sabotage.

 

[1thouwow]

I'm cool with jcole not having that jayz branding. His last album is a classic

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

Now this is where you're wrong because Hov WAS IN THE WAY. He was the one preventing Cole from dropping his debut which goes back to what I said in the OP. He wouldn't let Cole put out an album til he had a big single which is why the album kept getting delayed and why he had to put out mixtapes instead (FNL). Most of the songs on FNL were supposed to be on the debut which goes back to what I said about sabotage.

Cole was probably insisting early on he wanted to produce everything....

Hov' was probably hearing them shyts like

nikka No.

Then eventually just let him do his thing.....which is why the projects were mediocre. I feel like Cole expends too much energy trying to be a beatmaker and a rapper which is why he sounds off. He needs a 40 so that he can use his energy to better his wordplay and focus on following through on concepts. Cole always sounds like he started off with a good idea for a song....then started playing around with a beat....then he kind've lost the better ideas for the song but drags himself to finish both over a 3 week period....
then it's a sounding track from start to finish. And he's in the booth lookin' like

 

[Enchanted]

Cole was probably insisting early on he wanted to produce everything....

Hov' was probably hearing them shyts like

nikka No.

Then eventually just let him do his thing.....which is why the projects were mediocre. I feel like Cole expends too much energy trying to be a beatmaker and a rapper which is why he sounds off. He needs a 40 so that he can use his energy to better his wordplay and focus on following through on concepts. Cole always sounds like he started off with a good idea for a song....then started playing around with a beat....then he kind've lost the better ideas for the song but drags himself to finish both over a 3 week period....
then it's a sounding track from start to finish. And he's in the booth lookin' like

facts

 

[prophecypro]

If he was, he did a crap job of it seeing as Cole is pretty much successful.