Is Kanye the father of this era of "softness"?

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You call it soft, I call it black people deciding to be themselves again, past the jewish promotion of the hyper masculine aggressive black male.
For once a nikka can just say what's on his mind without everyone calling him soft a la a regular joe. We're going back to our roots, you think nikkas cared about soft when they were doing the electric slide wearing butterfly colors? nikkas didn't care about upholding some fake status, they just did what they felt like. Someone like Michael Jackson would have had a hard time in the mid 00s, wearing a white glove and sounding fem. Back then expression was embraced. We lost that during the 90s when labels were only accepting the thug image (which in turn effected the culture). Now with the internet we can bypass what the media wants us to be perceived as and just do you. Lil B is a good testament of that. Notice how much he's embraced than an underground trap nikka. Lil B tours global. People are infatuated with those not afraid of being themselves.

This is why Kanye is forever the GOAT.

I remember when Kanye first came out and the world was like...WOW. Finally we can be OURSELVES.

Pseudo-hypermasculine dudes ruined rap music with that fake and overly imposed aggression.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It's a variety of things that have caused hip-hop to change. Chief among them is that the social environment has drastically changed over the last decade or so. For example there were 2000+ murders in NYC in 1993 compared to 583 last year. Projects have been torn down all over the country, gentrification of what used to be really dangerous places..........

It's just not as dangerous as it was in the late 80s and late 90s and I believe the music reflects that. I personally can't get with a lot of these new "soft" rappers, but that's not my generation anyway. These kids are growing in a much different environment than the one we grew up on in the 90s. It may actually be an improvement to the game that kids can now honestly express themselves artistically without having to put on a tough guy facade.

but be real though.

You have the CHILDREN of rap artists of the 90s who are growing up and getting in to music.

What type of music do you expect them to make?

Most rappers these days are living the lives that artists from yesteryear would want to make had they grown up in better circumstances.

 

[OG Talk]

I remember when Kanye first came out and the world was like...WOW. Finally we can be OURSELVES.

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[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

People are really acting Outkast didn't sell 10 million in 2003 though, their "non-thug" approach is overlooked.

Outkast still had a hood element to themselves though.

Kanye was like a urban dude with suburban sensibility but was still an aware black male.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Whats not to understand?

In 2003 tell me what the climate of music was like for black rap artists.

If you weren' in that neo-soul "talib" lane then you were on that NYC gutta camron/50 shyt or on that southern hood life.

Kanye literally opened a new vein.

Sure dudes like common and lesser artists tried to do the same, but kanye was the first to seriously give it some weight.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

whats cazy is pharrell has DOMINATED 2013...

and find it funny that pharell/daft punk collabs ruled the airwaves in 2013


and kanye/daft punk collabs went strait to the and no even heard them shyts

Pharrell really hasn't dominated much. he's been around places, but meh. So what? He's still a feature artist in this regard.

Kanye just dropped another album thats potential genre changing.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

why are people so focused on who seems "soft"

nikkas living vicariously through all these so called 'hard' rappers, anyone can come on the scene and fool a whole society for a couple dollars. you got labels creating rappers now, and that aint even the tip of the iceberg. this is why i keep stressing to take a rapper's skills into account more than anything else. but you don't hear me doe

Thats why when Drake said:

They take the greats from the past and compare us
I wonder if they’d ever survive in this era
In a time where it’s recreation
To pull all your skeletons out the closet like Halloween decorations
I know of all the things that I hear they be pokin’ fun at
Never the flow though, they know I run that
fukk you all, I claim that whenever
I change rap forever, the game back together, yup

Dude was not lying.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Kanye poised the question, does every rapper have to rhyme about shooting folks and selling drugs and being a poision to the community. Or can we have a rapper that rhymes about what regular folks go through.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, The Message by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 is the greatest rap song ever created because it addresses everyday life in the ghetto while not glorifying it. There's a big difference between that and what Kanye and Drake are doing

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

OK if you're talking individual sales then whatever but Pharrell has produced platinum on platinum albums and singles that ECLIPSE Kanye. His impact was felt around the industry and that was clear in the fact that The Neptunes charged out their asses for beats.

Oh and not to sound like a fukking hippie or anything but Pharrell produces on EMOTION alone, people resonate with him as an artist. Dudes like OF and even Drake have directly said that the Neptunes are a huge influence on their style. I'll hold my hands up and say I STAN the hell out of Pharrell. Dude had me begging my parents for that Bathing Ape and BBC
They're both trendsetters; for you to discredit one for the other is wrong. Plus let's not forget the fact that one now has a hugely successful clothing brand, Pharrell collaborated with Daft Punk first AND the fact that Pharrell was around for a decade (behind the scenes) before Kanye was known around the industry.

You're fighting a losing war here because Pharrell was around before Kanye doing the normal guy thing before him

Everything after that is subjective.

No one is discrediting pharrell, but if you had to pick one based on influence, Kanye is where its at.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Underrated post...

Pple underestimate Gucci's influence on the game a lot...

I compare him with cam'ron... short mainstream commercial success but a long lastin' influence on the game... Plus he done put a lot of the big names on....

Not sure what gucci has to do with this, but I agree.

Gucci's work ethic probably inspired Wayne more than anyone.

 

[OG Talk]

Whats not to understand?

In 2003 tell me what the climate of music was like for black rap artists.

If you weren' in that neo-soul "talib" lane then you were on that NYC gutta camron/50 shyt or on that southern hood life.

Kanye literally opened a new vein.

Sure dudes like common and lesser artists tried to do the same, but kanye was the first to seriously give it some weight.

Are you a professional rapper? If not than what the fukk are you talking about?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Pretty much...

Rappers were always the soft n1ggas in the hood... The type of dudes that the hustlers, gangsters and athletes would bully and clown...Kanye and Drake just allowed them to come out of the closet with their true personalities and stop postering behind a false image...It's less entertaining to me now but honestly probably more authentic..

you can't have it both ways though.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Are you a professional rapper? If not than what the fukk are you talking about?

What is your deal?

Kanye and Drake represent more segments of american society and day-to-day youth than street rappers have.

Period.

 

[28 Gramz]

Outkast still had a hood element to themselves though.

Kanye was like a urban dude with suburban sensibility but was still an aware black male.

The Love Below had no hood elements.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The Love Below had no hood elements.

Outkast as albums is what we're talking about.