Is LiveLoveA$AP a classic?

[SirBiatch]

No, it's not, it did nothing to move the needle in hip hop.

a) I disagree.

A big chunk of Lorde's sound is inspired by ASAP Rocky. She says she listens to a lot of Rocky. And you can tell. Her debut album was full of that lush, atmospheric shyt that made Live.Love.ASAP so stunning.

You're gonna say Lorde is a pop artist. I agree. But she has strong hip hop influences.

I partly agree with you if we're talking about mainstream hip hop acts. Yeah, we haven't really seen Live.Love.ASAP do much. But I personally know underground rappers who switched up their ENTIRE sound once people started liking Live.Love.ASAP. I don't wanna put them on blast. And they're medium famous in their respective cities when it comes to the underground.

b) It's too early to tell. In my opinion, for something to be classic, it's gotta last at least 10 years. That's minimum. So we'll see.

Yea it was full of dope production, but this era is defined by the copious amounts of dope production due to the sheer availability of software.

Not true at all. In fact, it's hard finding a really beautiful, funky and hard-hitting beat in modern rap. Almost no one is making that. With the exception of Lil B and ASAP Rocky, which is why they're so popular in their respective circles.

The sheer availability of software has led to the most generic era of beatmaking in history

Dope beats/high replay value doesn't make an album a classic, stop it.

What? are you sure? Then please enlighten us as to the other metrics that make something a classic.

If that's the case damn near everything Dom Kennedy and Curren$y drop are classics

Nobody listens to those guys but a small niche of mostly weedheads. They have dropped zero classics. In fact, negative classics.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

a) I disagree.

A big chunk of Lorde's sound is inspired by ASAP Rocky. She says she listens to a lot of Rocky. And you can tell. Her debut album was full of that lush, atmospheric shyt that made Live.Love.ASAP so stunning.

You're gonna say Lorde is a pop artist. I agree. But she has strong hip hop influences.

I partly agree with you if we're talking about mainstream hip hop acts. Yeah, we haven't really seen Live.Love.ASAP do much. But I personally know underground rappers who switched up their ENTIRE sound once people started liking Live.Love.ASAP. I don't wanna put them on blast. And they're medium famous in their respective cities when it comes to the underground.

b) It's too early to tell. In my opinion, for something to be classic, it's gotta last at least 10 years. That's minimum. So we'll see.



Not true at all. In fact, it's hard finding a really beautiful, funky and hard-hitting beat in modern rap. Almost no one is making that. With the exception of Lil B and ASAP Rocky, which is why they're so popular in their respective circles.

The sheer availability of software has led to the most generic era of beatmaking in history



What? are you sure? Then please enlighten us as to the other metrics that make something a classic.



Nobody listens to those guys but a small niche of mostly weedheads. They have dropped zero classics. In fact, negative classics.

I disagree with almost everything you wrote except the lorde shyt, I'm not checking for her so I don't know who the hell she was inspired by. But it's 10:30 and damn near my bedtime...I'm not writing out no long replies tonight

 

[flea]

Naw. There's songs on there that are wack but the beat is fire. Clams Casino

 

[SirBiatch]

I disagree with almost everything you wrote except the lorde shyt, I'm not checking for her so I don't know who the hell she was inspired by. But it's 10:30 and damn near my bedtime...I'm not writing out no long replies tonight

respect. then we continue this another time. I honestly want to hear your thoughts. I like hearing from people who disagree with me and have informed opinions to back it up.

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[FreedMind]

I can't brehs

Rocky hopped on beats that Lil B and Main Attrakionz had been using for years, and then laced them up with some trendy bars. Looking back at it, people got excited over his beats, Q feature, and the bone thugs flow he used... Imagine that... Call it homage or whatever but that don't seem right to have a highlight of your tape being you using someone else's flow. Overkill with the trill gold grills lean image that was really poppin on tumblr back then, which is no surprise because Yams was instrumental in curating all that through his inescapable online presence.

Its something I'd never be able to overlook cause its an important tape, but definitely one of those that I think are overrated greatly.

 

[SirBiatch]

I can't brehs

Rocky hopped on beats that Lil B and Main Attrakionz had been using for years, and then laced them up with some trendy bars.

Main Attrakionz were and still are TRASH. Their verses on "Leaf" were terrible. The worst feature on that entire mixtape. To me, that's a perfect example of why someone should respect Rocky. Some people love to say, "well Rocky got lucky. You could put anyone behind those beats and they'll blow up". Um... no. If that were the case, Main Attrakionz would have blown up years ago. They were trash. Rocky made cloud rap sound amazing. You have to give him credit for that. A lot of modern rappers have no idea what to do with a weird-ass Clams beat, and even your favorite new rappers would have fukked it up.

I love Lil B, but he was trolling / too unrefined to really explore the power of a Clams Casino beat. Though I give Lil B credit for giving cloud rap its thematic core, if that makes sense. Rocky took that and ran with it.

Looking back at it, people got excited over his beats, Q feature, and the bone thugs flow he used... Imagine that... Call it homage or whatever but that don't seem right to have a highlight of your tape being you using someone else's flow

Cmon my dude. No one in rap has flowed like Rocky did on "Leaf". Please point it out to me.

Yes, Rocky is inspired by Bone Thugs and clearly took aspects from them. But he's more Snoop than Bone, if you really listen closely. And that's coming from someone who grew up in both Snoop's and Bone's primes.

Besides, even if we say Rocky copied Bone, I respect Rocky for digging out a flow that NO ONE was paying attention to and bringing it back. People say: "oh he sounds like Bone Thugs". These same cats who complain are the ones that dikkride Kendrick Lamar, who literally sounds like Andre 3000 to the tee (Flow, production style, alternative rap approach). And Andre 3000 is one of the biggest rappers of the last 15 years. So copying him is generic as fukk.

Everything comes from somewhere. The question is: what do you add to it and is it beautiful?

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

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[SHAQAVELLI]

It will go down as a classic when the dust settle and time passes. And it certainly moved the needle in hip-hop's sound, and putting on the ASAP Mob.

 

[SirBiatch]

And it certainly moved the needle in hip-hop's sound

In what way?

 

[Asicz]

Its undeniably a classic mixtape.

 

[Peak]

A very good mixtape/album - classic? No.

 

[Osmosis]

The best tape of the last five years.

 

[VertigoKnight]

Listened to it on Monday for the first time in a while. It still bangs. I think in time it will be seen as a classic.

 

[FreedMind]

@SirBiatch that's why Rocky and Yams went out of their way to work with them though right? I ain't bullshytting either, Yams entire plan was to work with artists that would get Rocky second looks online, which is why they collaborated with MAz, SGP, Beautiful Lou, Clams, Friendzone etcetc All of those people were closely connected from working with one another for years.

How can you call them trash when they were so heavily sought after by Rocky? It should be obvious that while neither Mondre or Squadda have the ceiling of Rocky, their music was what lead the way for Rocky. Their mixtapes, all their work, it created the lane and style that Rocky would eventually take up. Spaceghostpurrp started trends with his music. Lil B started trends. MAz started trends. Rocky relied on these contributions from his contemporaries to blow up.

In retrospect, its interesting that out of the entire group of emerging internet rappers in 2007-2012, the least creative one became the most successful aside from maybe Odd Future.

Again, Rocky fans neg me every time but the shyt just ain't right. They want to say he mixed styles and cultures but its so transparent like water and oil; for anyone that followed rap closely around that time, you can EASILY pick out what styles Rocky ran with and why he did it, and there isn't much to debate. And I'm not saying this as my own speculation, there's articles and interviews providing insight into Rocky's ascent, dude would not be anywhere without Yams and his understanding of what's dope (which at that time was the aforementioned artists.)

Keep hating on B, MAz and SGP though. Rocky literally took a sound that MAz & B had been doing for years and ran with it, picked up an increasingly gimmicky southern cultural revival, and disguised weak bars with decent flows, features, and production. Yams and Rocky saw the importance of all the aforementioned artists, yet the fans want to act like they were all afterthoughts for ASAP.

 

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