Is Mahomes the best QB you've ever seen?

[DrexlersFade]

No he is the Lebron of football after the Eagles dog walk these dudes he will have a losing super bowl record always remember he may have the greatest offensive coach of All Time.

Slow ya'll roll!

 

[Bboystyle]

Rodgers has some of the worst meltdowns in big games. Especially last year, Rodgers basically doing nothing in a home playoff game. Mahomes is more talented than Rodgers anyway.

Last year is the only time i blame Rodgers and the offense for losing and this year for missing the playoffs. But again, you're talking about a 39 year old QB past his prime. During his prime, Rodgers was far from being the problem or reason why GB lost big games.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Brady is the GOAT. But before Mahommes Manning was the best QB I had ever seen untill the playoffs where he kept choking and losing to Beli and Brady. Honestly until Yesterday, I thought that Burrow and Mahommes was going to go ala Brady and Manning where one is clearly the better player but the other team just has their number.

 

[FabTrey]

Let's leave the goat alone. He stands alone undisputed.

But let's not forget Rodgers.

Only difference between Rodgers and Mahomes is that Mahomes is a better teammate and he isn't afraid to make mistakes. Not to mention he had better better weapons, defense and coaching. And that translates to more wins and more SB appearances.

As far as the pure arm talent goes, i give a slight edge to prime Rodgers.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

easily the best scrambler I have ever seen

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Mahomes, Brady, Peyton, Montana, and Staubach are my top 5 for QB's

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[David_TheMan]

I respect Marino. I watched his entire career, even in college.

Mahomes is better.

I disagree, the ruleset will always have modern QBs a tier below the 70s, 80s, and early 90s QBs.
The game is literally made for the modern inflated stats and to baby QBs, they are playing with handicaps.

 

[PortCityProphet]

Brady is the GOAT. But before Mahommes Manning was the best QB I had ever seen untill the playoffs where he kept choking and losing to Beli and Brady. Honestly until Yesterday, I thought that Burrow and Mahommes was going to go ala Brady and Manning where one is clearly the better player but the other team just has their number.

But Peyton is 3-2 vs the Pats in the playoffs

 

[murksiderock]

Marino used to be bought up in these convos tho, because he was THAT good slinging the rock.. I think when eras change and the criteria changed is when his name stopped being bought up.. I remember old heads always talking positively about him in last generation tho.. But either way Mahomes is that dude, no doubt in my mind.. Dude came in first year out throwing like 50 TDs, no look passes, got a ring already.. Now he got to have 10 to have a convo?? This dude was throwing to a dude named kemp in crunch time yesterday and I never heard of him..

Oh I remember Marino being in this conversation, bro. I started watching football in '99, his last year, so I didn't see him play, but I remember the hype post retirement. It wasn't until this QB explosion of the Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers era that he began sliding down the boards...

I call him overrated because I did my own deep dive on him and his resume is wanting. For all the talent he had, presumably, his numbers dropped considerably in the playoffs, and in the regular season he was an interception machine. Montana's didn't dip like this, and Montana wasn't interception happy in comparison, and Marino's stats don't blow away Montana's either prime-for-prime...

Calling Marino the GOAT or putting him on par with Montana seems disingenuous at best, this guy was not Montana. He wasn't even Elway in the clutch. The way his playoff performances drop so considerably is notable...

Who said Mahomes needs 10 rings?

Nah I cant back this. I been watching football since 1989 and Marino, even to this day, was one of the best QBs I ever witnessed. fukk the rings, he is easily one of the GOATs.

I respect that you saw him and can make your perspective from that...

I'm a decade behind you, but I can't do it bruh, and it isnt about the rings, though not having just one is a glaring omission. Everybody at his historical weight has  one, you have to go a tier or two below to the Tarkenton's and Jurgenson's to start finding great QBs who have no rings with regularity. Him not having one is an underachievement, but again that isn't even the greatest factor...

If I give Marino a 10-season prime, 1983-92, if he was that great there should be more meat on the bone. I'm gonna start a Marino thread here soon...

Good call out. I missed that because he didn't go to the playoffs that year.

What I'm getting at is, there was some discussion once he had that 3rd ring, but it wasn't unanimous until he got Moss. They weren't saying he was GOAT'ed with 1 ring and 1 TD leading season. Pat has been in MVP contention every single year he has played. Brady was NOT on his trajectory over the same span of years.

Although I know it's a pass favorable league now, he might not have the yards or TDs, but he'd still be pulling off mind-bending passes.

On pure talent he's in the conversation. On pure stats he's in the conversation. If Pat does nothing else, he's Rodgers status already. If he gets 3 rings, I think it's undeniable.

Brady during his first 4 to 5 years was essentially an updated Aikman, meaning he was better than Aikman, but those titles weren't won with Brady doing the heavy lifting...

We all know this so I dont know why Brady Stans nutting up in here...

His real coming out party was the '03 Super Bowl vs Carolina, that '04 season following was when he first elevated to elite stature...

Brady was 3-0 in Super Bowls and nobody thought he was the GOAT, I dont think I heard him name in that context until the year they choked to Manning in the playoffs. When he went 16-0 is when it was more of a conversation but he spent his most of his prime being seen as arguably the inferior QB to Manning...

Mahomes isn't in the conversation for GOAT yet, because for me GOAT is Brady/Montana shyt. I think 3 rings is a fair benchmark for him, and continuing to extend his prime. 1 ring doesn't put you with Montana and Brady, it just doesn't. 2 doesn't either, and a 5-year prime despite being amazing pales in comparison to two guys who stretched their primes a decade plus...

But that next group of Top 10 guys right below Montana and Brady:

Brees, Elway, Favre, Manning, Marino, Rodgers, Unitas, Young

We can start having a legitimate discourse that hes in that group...

Brady is the GOAT. But before Mahommes Manning was the best QB I had ever seen untill the playoffs where he kept choking and losing to Beli and Brady. Honestly until Yesterday, I thought that Burrow and Mahommes was going to go ala Brady and Manning where one is clearly the better player but the other team just has their number.

Burrow and Mahomes could still be it. Allen and Mahomes could still be it, we'll just have to wait and see. He's played both twice in the playoffs, 1-1 vs one abd 2-0 vs the other...

We have to remember all these guys are stupid early in their careers. Mahomes is finishing Y6, Allen just finished Y5, Burrow just finished Y3...

It's too early to assume these guys won't be challengers to Pat for the long haul. They are kids. It's not too early to state Pat has a large lead on both, but they all just started. They're kids...

 

[Chip Skylark]

 

[NYC Rebel]

Still Marino.

I dont think many of yall understand what its like to experience a paradigm shift take place before your eyes.

The passes he was throwing….

 

[NYC Rebel]

Oh I remember Marino being in this conversation, bro. I started watching football in '99, his last year, so I didn't see him play, but I remember the hype post retirement. It wasn't until this QB explosion of the Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers era that he began sliding down the boards...

I call him overrated because I did my own deep dive on him and his resume is wanting. For all the talent he had, presumably, his numbers dropped considerably in the playoffs, and in the regular season he was an interception machine. Montana's didn't dip like this, and Montana wasn't interception happy in comparison, and Marino's stats don't blow away Montana's either prime-for-prime...

Calling Marino the GOAT or putting him on par with Montana seems disingenuous at best, this guy was not Montana. He wasn't even Elway in the clutch. The way his playoff performances drop so considerably is notable...

Who said Mahomes needs 10 rings?

I respect that you saw him and can make your perspective from that...

I'm a decade behind you, but I can't do it bruh, and it isnt about the rings, though not having just one is a glaring omission. Everybody at his historical weight has  one, you have to go a tier or two below to the Tarkenton's and Jurgenson's to start finding great QBs who have no rings with regularity. Him not having one is an underachievement, but again that isn't even the greatest factor...

If I give Marino a 10-season prime, 1983-92, if he was that great there should be more meat on the bone. I'm gonna start a Marino thread here soon...

Brady during his first 4 to 5 years was essentially an updated Aikman, meaning he was better than Aikman, but those titles weren't won with Brady doing the heavy lifting...

We all know this so I dont know why Brady Stans nutting up in here...

His real coming out party was the '03 Super Bowl vs Carolina, that '04 season following was when he first elevated to elite stature...

Brady was 3-0 in Super Bowls and nobody thought he was the GOAT, I dont think I heard him name in that context until the year they choked to Manning in the playoffs. When he went 16-0 is when it was more of a conversation but he spent his most of his prime being seen as arguably the inferior QB to Manning...

Mahomes isn't in the conversation for GOAT yet, because for me GOAT is Brady/Montana shyt. I think 3 rings is a fair benchmark for him, and continuing to extend his prime. 1 ring doesn't put you with Montana and Brady, it just doesn't. 2 doesn't either, and a 5-year prime despite being amazing pales in comparison to two guys who stretched their primes a decade plus...

But that next group of Top 10 guys right below Montana and Brady:

Brees, Elway, Favre, Manning, Marino, Rodgers, Unitas, Young

We can start having a legitimate discourse that hes in that group...

Burrow and Mahomes could still be it. Allen and Mahomes could still be it, we'll just have to wait and see. He's played both twice in the playoffs, 1-1 vs one abd 2-0 vs the other...

We have to remember all these guys are stupid early in their careers. Mahomes is finishing Y6, Allen just finished Y5, Burrow just finished Y3...

It's too early to assume these guys won't be challengers to Pat for the long haul. They are kids. It's not too early to state Pat has a large lead on both, but they all just started. They're kids...

Your deep dive aint shyt to seeing it in real time.

You disqualified yourself saying Elway.

In real time, Elway was never in his league. Terrell Davis gets him some rings and all of a sudden hes ahead of Marino and not the man always clowned prior to TD.

 

[nairdas]

Manning is the greatest I've seen and watched closely. He was just so calculating and smart. He was literally the OC on the field.

And stat wise he still has the greatest QB season ever.

 

[murksiderock]

Your deep dive aint shyt to seeing it in real time.

You disqualified yourself saying Elway.

In real time, Elway was never in his league. Terrell Davis gets him some rings and all of a sudden hes ahead of Marino and not the man always clowned prior to TD.

He missed the playoffs four straight years in his prime, 1986-89, also missed it in '91...

4 of his 5 playoff losses in his prime were by 10+ points, three were 17+. 1-5 on the road in his playoff career...

How about provide some clarity on how a guy so talented couldn't translate to winning? 5 division titles in 17 years. He was so talented but didn't even win the most MVPs during his prime or career, explain how this happens. The guys who were seen as the greatest talents after him (Favre, Manning, Rodgers, Mahomes) have a lead over the field in MVPs which is an indicator of how fans and NFL Media hold them in comparison to their peers...

Something is missing from the Marino story that you Marino apologists omit from analysis...

Elway was better situationally in crunch time, this isn't a secret. fukk all that who was yhe better passer shyt, what do you give me when I absolutely need your best?

 

[NYC Rebel]

He missed the playoffs four straight years in his prime, 1986-89, also missed it in '91...

4 of his 5 playoff losses in his prime were by 10+ points, three were 17+. 1-5 on the road in his playoff career...

How about provide some clarity on how a guy so talented couldn't translate to winning? 5 division titles in 17 years. He was so talented but didn't even win the most MVPs during his prime or career, explain how this happens. The guys who were seen as the greatest talents after him (Favre, Manning, Rodgers, Mahomes) have a lead over the field in MVPs which is an indicator of how fans and NFL Media hold them in comparison to their peers...

Something is missing from the Marino story that you Marino apologists omit from analysis...

Elway was better situationally in crunch time, this isn't a secret. fukk all that who was yhe better passer shyt, what do you give me when I absolutely need your best?

Who cares data nerd?

In real time, Elway was NEVER in Marinos league. He himself said Bernie Kosar was his rival, but you wont find that in your stat whoring after the fact.

Marino was always ahead of Elway until TD changed his perception.

This is the lived in experience facts.