Is Method Man's career a disappointment or underrated?

[DarkmanX]

Lol at people juding what's a classic or not based on if THEY like/dislike a certain album - just in general. If so, i can say i dont like album "x" from artist "a, b, c" so that makes it not a classic? Classic has more to do with timing, IMPACT on the culture & things like that. Not what some reviewer said on some magazine. When will some of you wake up and realize that its the entertainment business? Everything is layered. Things go hand in hand. Just cuz a certain album gets critical acclaim doesnt always mean thats what it is..its an INDUSTRY..but thats a whole another story.

Not speaking on Tical, just in general. Like i said, popularity doesnt determine whats classic. shyt, maybe thats why every 2pac album became a classic after he died..why? Because of his name & popularity AFTER he died compared to when he was alive, or maybe Jay-Z financial success after a while made all his albums classics? Smh.

 

[god=nature=we'reFUCKED]

Be in the right mindset for his classics or

 

[criminology]

uh,...
big was rapping up to method's skill level on rtd.
method was not chasing or trying to keep up with big.
big was keeping up with method, joe.

which, is why the charles dikkens rhymes is so otherworldly,...
as it just illustrates shyt that meth could do....
a lesser emcee like big at that time had to ramp up and stay on some ill shyt to do.

big was not even solidified in his skillset when that posse cut/feature was recorded.

method was already a solidified styles era legend, at that exact time.
not greatly, but they are still there and sore spots in his career.
that will be talked about, by those who keep it all the way real on any and everyone.


art barr

Uh Did you even read what I wrote? You got stuck on wording and missed the point. I don't even think we disagree. I said no one made it sound easier and that his flow was basically unparalleled. And people forget how huge he was from 93-99. 93 even before biggie was a somebody. I was just using the biggie shyt as an example. Because biggie with all his flaws often made that shyt seem easy as hell. And method man made keeping up with biggie sound like it was nothing, implying he is one of the best who's overlooked. So yeah technically at the time biggie was ascending to mef's level but that's sort of the point. no one thinks that now.

 

[Art Barr]

Uh Did you even read what I wrote? You got stuck on wording and missed the point. I don't even think we disagree. I said no one made it sound easier and that his flow was basically unparalleled. And people forget how huge he was from 93-99. 93 even before biggie was a somebody. I was just using the biggie shyt as an example. Because biggie with all his flaws often made that shyt seem easy as hell. And method man made keeping up with biggie sound like it was nothing, implying he is one of the best who's overlooked. So yeah technically at the time biggie was ascending to mef's level but that's sort of the point. no one thinks that now.

yeah, I read what you wrote that is why I corrected your ass.
Then, you tried to imply what Is indicative of the far from the fact sentiment now.
Not, what the real sentiment was when it occurred.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Uh Did you even read what I wrote? You got stuck on wording and missed the point. I don't even think we disagree. I said no one made it sound easier and that his flow was basically unparalleled. And people forget how huge he was from 93-99. 93 even before biggie was a somebody. I was just using the biggie shyt as an example. Because biggie with all his flaws often made that shyt seem easy as hell. And method man made keeping up with biggie sound like it was nothing, implying he is one of the best who's overlooked. So yeah technically at the time biggie was ascending to mef's level but that's sort of the point. no one thinks that now.

Lol at people juding what's a classic or not based on if THEY like/dislike a certain album - just in general. If so, i can say i dont like album "x" from artist "a, b, c" so that makes it not a classic? Classic has more to do with timing, IMPACT on the culture & things like that. Not what some reviewer said on some magazine. When will some of you wake up and realize that its the entertainment business? Everything is layered. Things go hand in hand. Just cuz a certain album gets critical acclaim doesnt always mean thats what it is..its an INDUSTRY..but thats a whole another story.

Not speaking on Tical, just in general. Like i said, popularity doesnt determine whats classic. shyt, maybe thats why every 2pac album became a classic after he died..why? Because of his name & popularity AFTER he died compared to when he was alive, or maybe Jay-Z financial success after a while made all his albums classics? Smh.

a classic has to deal with the actual skill displayed on the project record to record in a sum of the parts.
it does not have anything to do with impact, or any of that.


Art Barr

 

[FreshAIG]

tical ain't no classic album.

It has a classic single, yeah.

just because it does and came out in the mid-90s doesn't make it a classic album.

It's actually the WEAKEST first solo Wu album out of that era.

I agree. Obviously Ironman, OB4 and LS are better but I also think Ol Dirty's debut is better too

 

[Wacky D]

I was thinking about this
Pros
1) He's the most popular member of the most popular/arguably best rap group ever

Ironman classic status is debatable. It got really great reviews when it dropped but Clientele is Ghost's most famous album. Both are way better than Tical

i dont see how.

ironman had a bigger wave than supreme clientele.

supreme was kinda slept-on.

 

[FreshAIG]

i dont see how.

ironman had a bigger wave than supreme clientele.

supreme was kinda slept-on.

I don't even see how you can argue the first point. Wu is probably the most popular and arguably the greatest rap group ever. You have other arguments like Run DMC, PE and NWA, but Wu has just as good an argument

And Ironman was never on SC level as far as popularity. SC was considered the return of Wu-Tang after a few years from Forever, they weren't releasing much and the stuff that did come out was disappointing, til Ghost dropped that and it got major video play and the music was classic. I can see a case being made for Ironman being better but definitely not more popular.

 

[FrankieLymon757]

Despite the fukk ups and shoulda coulda's..him being apart of the Wu solidified anything he didn't do as a soloist...

 

[nieman]

I think neither. Of course he has all of the tools equipped to make a classic album, yet has never done so. He's also coasted for a good stretch of his career with sub-par performances. He also let people get in his ear and tell him what he should be. However, he also has repeated mentioned that he NEVER wanted the superstardom. He just wanted to spit verses and chill. He's now about where he should be and where he always wanted to be. I'll just say that he didn't meet expectations because he doesn't have that classic. Hell, he averages 5 years in between albums.

 

[Wacky D]

I don't even see how you can argue the first point. Wu is probably the most popular and arguably the greatest rap group ever. You have other arguments like Run DMC, PE and NWA, but Wu has just as good an argument

And Ironman was never on SC level as far as popularity. SC was considered the return of Wu-Tang after a few years from Forever, they weren't releasing much and the stuff that did come out was disappointing, til Ghost dropped that and it got major video play and the music was classic. I can see a case being made for Ironman being better but definitely not more popular.

wutang wasnt even the most popular group of their time.
best group? 1 classic album and a thurl double-bubble. 3rd album was iight.........thats not enough.

im not arguing what ghost's best album was, cuz i have to brush up on SC.
ironman had a bigger wave tho, definitely. it dropped in the midst of wu-mania. lets be reality, most people that werent die hard wutang fans werent checking for SC like that. it didnt move impressive units either. ironman prolly sold more. and it definitely had the more popular single with "all that i got is you".

 

[malbaker86]

Disappointment and he is musically lazy

 

[FreshAIG]

wutang wasnt even the most popular group of their time.
best group? 1 classic album and a thurl double-bubble. 3rd album was cool.

im not arguing what ghost's best album was, cuz i have to brush up on SC.
ironman had a bigger wave tho, definitely. it dropped in the midst of wu-mania. lets be reality, most people that werent die hard wutang fans werent checking for SC like that. it didnt move impressive units either. ironman prolly sold more. and it definitely had the more popular single with "all that i got is you".

LOL yes they were. Just because a group might have sold more records at their peak in no way makes another group more popular. That's like saying Nelly is more popular than Jay-Z because he had a higher peak. Wu over the last 20 years has been the universally most popular group in rap. The name Wu-Tang is bigger than any other rap group act. They haven't even put out mainstream relevant music for years and years but if there was a Wu reunion concert right now, they could sell out any arena in the world. There's no other group of that era or any other that can do that.

You're proving my point about IM vs. SC. IM came out when Wu Tang was hot, and already dropped multiple classic solo albums. SC came at a time when Wu was on a down slope and managed to bring them back from the dead damn near. To me, that's a way bigger deal than having a popular album at the group's height. For example, The Carter 1 is bigger than The Block is Hot. The Block is Hot sold more records because it was during the Hot Boyz peak, but The Carter is the record that revived Cash Money records after it took a major fall from all the people leaving and stuff.

 

[torcher]

But tical 2000>>>>>> pretty much all the other wu solo sophmores

I think Tical 2000 is Meths best album but it aint nowhere near Supreme Clientel

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

I think Tical 2000 is Meths best album but it aint nowhere near Supreme Clientel

My bad b. I mistakenly thought bulletproof wallets was ghosts second album.

You right supreme>>>>>>> tical 2000